Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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Well:

Instead, Democrats watched as a roiling, well-organized “resistance” bombarded Republicans with calls and filled their town hall meetings with skeptics. The Indivisible coalition, founded after the 2016 election by former congressional aides who knew how to lobby their old bosses, was the newest and flashiest. But it was joined by MoveOn, which reported 40,000 calls to congressional offices from its members; by Planned Parenthood, directly under the AHCA’s gun; by the Democratic National Committee, fresh off a divisive leadership race; and by the AARP, which branded the bill as an “age tax” before Democrats had come up with a counterattack.

Congressional Democrats did prime the pump. After their surprise 2016 defeat, they made Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) the outreach director of the Senate caucus. Sanders’s first project was “Our First Stand,” a series of rallies around the country, organized by local Democrats and following a simple format. Elected officials would speak; they would then pass the

microphone to constituents who had positive stories to tell about the ACA.

“What we’re starting to do, for the first time in the modern history of the Democratic Party, is active grass-roots organizing,” Sanders said in a January interview. “We’re working with unions, we’re working with senior groups, and we’re working with health-care groups. We’re trying to rally the American people so we can do what they want. And that is not the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/03/24/left-out-of-ahca-fight-democrats-let-their-grass-roots-lead-and-win/?utm_term=.81cb3e9a9790

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 11:33 (seven years ago) link

where's the tax returns?

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:02 (seven years ago) link

I got'em, right here.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:03 (seven years ago) link

i say we stick with the monthly threads... otherwise they'll proliferate crazily. plus easier to find shit later. a tall bookcase of three-ring binders with monthly labels on each one.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:17 (seven years ago) link

Can we switch to sharpie markers though? I heard that's what the pros use

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:40 (seven years ago) link

with diet Cokes for everyone

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:48 (seven years ago) link

I can imagine him sipping Sharpie ink and making notes with Diet Coke.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:05 (seven years ago) link

As was said on Twitter, lawyers definitely involved:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/infowars-apologizes-for-pizzagate-coverage/article/2618409?custom_click=rss

Meantime, I guess Napolitano had to get himself back into the news without Fox around:

https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/03/andrew-napolitano-supreme-court-shortlist-trump-236488

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:07 (seven years ago) link

This speech by Schiff from a few days ago worth noting

https://lawfareblog.com/rise-autocrats

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:20 (seven years ago) link

so if trumplethinskin colluded with putin to steal the white house, and now the GOP can't even repeal "obamacare", and here we are, can we revise our preconception that wealth = competence, and restore the highest income tax rate to what it was pre-reagan? this experiment has gone on long enough, no?

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:29 (seven years ago) link

nah we haven't all died yet

Neanderthal, Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:29 (seven years ago) link

Only then can we be a control group.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link

conservative Philip Klein makes a concession:

One has to admire the commitment that Democrats and Obama had to delivering something they campaigned on and truly believed in. They spent 13 months getting the bill from an initial concept to final passage, and pressed on during many points when everybody was predicting doom. They had public hearings, multiple drafts of different bills, they kept negotiating, even worked into Christmas. They made significant changes at times, but also never lost sight of their key goals. They didn't back down in the face of angry town halls and after losing their filibuster-proof majority, and many members cast votes that they knew risked their political careers. Obama himself was a leader, who consistently made it clear that he was not going to walk away. He did countless rallies, meetings, speeches — even a "summit" at the Blair House — to try to sell the bill, talking about details, responding to criticisms of the bill to the point that he was mocked by conservatives for talking so much about healthcare.

The contrast between Obama and Democrats on healthcare and what just happened is stunning. House Republicans slapped together a bill in a few weeks (months if we're being generous) behind closed doors with barely any debate. They moved the bill through committees at blazing speed, conducted closed-door negotiations that resulted in relatively minor tweaks to the bill, and within 17 days, Trump decided that he'd had enough, and was ready to walk away if members didn't accept the bill as is. It reminded me of the scene in "Duck Soup," in which Groucho Marx portrays Rufus T. Firefly, leader of the fictional Freedonia. Firefly conducts a cabinet meeting that he starts by saying he'll take up old business. One official says, "I wish to discuss the tariff." Firefly responds, "Sit down, that's new business." When nobody has any old business to discuss he decides to turn to new business. "About that tariff —" the same official interjects. "Too late," Firefly responds, "That's old business already."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-cave-on-obamacare-repeal-is-the-biggest-broken-promise-in-political-history/article/2618413

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link

hail Firefly!

“What we’re starting to do, for the first time in the modern history of the Democratic Party, is active grass-roots organizing,” Sanders said

meh, he's not really a Democrat, shaddap old man

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link

love Bernie but lol @ the idea he's first person to do grassroots organizing in the democratic party. c'mon man

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:03 (seven years ago) link

An emergency meeting of the House Republican Caucus was called shortly before the scheduled vote. As it was announced, the House went to recess, with Democrats shouting in a taunting manner, “Vote, vote, vote”, daring Republicans to bring the bill up. They did not.

there can't be enough news stories that contain the phrase "Democrats shouting in a taunting manner" to suit me

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link

MODERN history, Tracer. You know, since the Golden Age of Television started.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link

"We were a 10-year opposition party, where being against things was easy to do," said House Speaker Paul Ryan, faced with the biggest loss of his career. "And now in three months' time we tried to go to a governing party. We will get there, but we weren't there today."

maybe someday you'll get to where you understand that the Social Security benefits which paid for your expensive private college tuition is a good thing, too, congressperson galt

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link

Sounds like this damages Bannon's reputation as well. Which I'm fine with:

https://www.axios.com/inside-the-trumpcare-meltdown-2329417172.html

When the balky hardliners of the House Freedom Caucus visited the White House earlier this week, this was Steve Bannon's opening line, according to people in the conference room in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building:

"Guys, look. This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice but to vote for this bill."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link

“He'll take your call and invite you to the Oval Office, but he just wants you to say nice things about him on TV,” the source says he told Napolitano at the time.

oh christiepaws

“Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link

Doesn't scan so good, but it's got potential for a stanza-ending blues lyric imho.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link

Hey baby, come to the White House tonight
I ain't lookin to get in no fight,
I just want you to say if you can
Tell it to the stuffed suits out at CNN
Baby, can you dig your man?
He's a righteous man
Tell em baby, can you dig your man?

Neanderthal, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link

man someone had fun pressing "play" imo

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link

i hope poor milo's doing okay now that people have finally said "no" to daddy

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:01 (seven years ago) link

Hey baby, come to the White House tonight
I ain't lookin to get in no fight,
I just want you to say if you can
Tell it to the stuffed suits out at CNN
Baby, can you dig your man?
He's a righteous man
Tell em baby, can you dig your man?

― Neanderthal, Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:54 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Get Henley on the phone, I smell a new single...

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link

what would Don say about these happenings?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link

Get Over It!

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

to add to the bannon quote that ned mentioned above, here was trump's contribution:

The report described a meeting that Trump had with members of the Freedom Caucus, in which members pelted him with "wonkish concerns" about specific aspects of the Republicans' bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. Trump cut them off, according to the report, wanting to keep it simple.

"Forget about the little shit," Trump said, unnamed sources told Politico."Let's focus on the big picture here."

That reportedly did not sit well with members in attendance.

"We’re talking about one-fifth of our economy," an unnamed member told Politico's Tim Alberta.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link

"...and that little shit's name...was Reince Preibus. I'm Paul Harvey."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link

gooooood day!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link

The great one speaks!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845645916732358656

ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry!

A separate response:

https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/845661683628564481

Sitting back & letting your voters go broke until they love you more is a bold political strategy

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link

On Friday evening, a somewhat shellshocked president retreated to the White House residence to grieve and assign blame. He asked his advisers repeatedly: Whose fault was this?

Increasingly, that blame has fallen on Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, who coordinated the initial legislative strategy on the health care repeal with Speaker Paul D. Ryan, his close friend and a fellow Wisconsin native, according to three people briefed on Mr. Trump’s recent discussions.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link

trump-health-care-defeat-gop-civil-war

that's a nice URL, wish I could have shown myself this the morning of Nov 9

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link

it seemed to some members of that group, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, that he did not have the greatest grasp of health care policy or legislative procedure.

lol ya think?

sleeve, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link

heh

Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who returned on Friday from a family skiing trip to Aspen, Colo., had said for weeks that he thought supporting the bill was a mistake, according to two people who spoke with him. The president, according to two Republicans close to the White House, expressed annoyance that Mr. Kushner, who has described himself as a first-among-equals adviser, was not on site during the consequential week of wrangling. Tom Price, who left Congress to become Mr. Trump’s health and human services secretary, was singled out for blame.

heh

Until the final week, Mr. Trump’s team was deeply divided over whether he should fully commit to a hard sell on a bill they viewed as fundamentally flawed, with Vice President Mike Pence pointedly advising the president to label the effort “Ryancare,” not “Trumpcare,” according to aides.

heh

After it was all over, the president dutifully blamed the Democrats, a party out of power and largely leaderless, after turning his back on their offers to negotiate on a bipartisan package that would have addressed shortcomings in the Affordable Care Act while preserving its core protections for poor and working class patients.

Several aides advised him the argument was nonsensical, according to a person with knowledge of the interaction.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Meantime, excellent music criticism here:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2618436#.WNaQpDNWH5c.twitter

For those who don't remember, Papa Roach is a band that had a hit in 2000 called "Last Resort." The song, which is about cutting or something, had a decent guitar lick, but that's the only praise it deserves.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link

Several Aides Advised Him the Argument Was Nonsensical: The Inside Story Of The Trump Presidency

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link

perfect

sleeve, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link

The other two tweets are great too!

https://twitter.com/paparoach/status/845464996695883776

https://twitter.com/paparoach/status/845481000809332737

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

haha, those tweets are the only good things Papa Roach has ever produced

akm, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link

Well, Trump has a far better grip on political reality than these aides, anyway. It is a nonsensical argument, but that's good.

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link

a compelling story but there's a couple of "this one either isn't true or is unsourceable" annotations that make me think this one'll have no legs

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link

Think whatever's happening with Flynn right now is what to ponder. The guy's been awfully quiet.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link

The articles with 'blown wide open' and 'this changes everything' need to stop. It's not helpful.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 25 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

Per Abrahamson sources, Jeff Sessions "_definitely_" met with the Russian ambassador a third time, which he has continued to conceal from Congress, even after he 'corrected' his testimony about _never_ meeting with the Russian ambassador during the campaign. If the source isn't shit, then that's some nice perjuring there, Mr. Attorney General.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 25 March 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link


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