Dirty Projectors

this is sweet, song exploder on my favorite song from the record, real geek shit http://pitchfork.com/news/72377-dirty-projectors-dissects-up-in-hudson-on-song-exploder-kanye-bowie-and-more-listen/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video

yeah it was super interesting to see how he put it together and how much input tyondai braxton had.

guess i'm glad he thinks the guitar coda goes on way too long, too

that's the best part though

I checked for Mauro Refosco after listening to this and I see that he's now making $$$$ slumming it as the Red Hot Chili Peppers' touring percussionist. Cool to know that's him on the Atoms for Peace record though, I had assumed that was all Joey Waronker.

Performing 'Cool Your Heart' on Fallon last night with D∆WN, Tyondai Braxton and The Roots.

Looks like the drummer who took over from Brian McOmber after Swing Lo Magellan (I think it's Michael Johnson) is playing with him also.

https://youtu.be/MZ8U7uDXSOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYq5Ch-FFcs

is it just me or does the guitar line very strongly evoke "Blue Pedro"

Lol, it's already getting slammed in Pitchfork. I absolutely love it on first listen, but it does sound a bit like a song I'll tire of quite quickly.

Is this still a solo project? I was pretty done after he fired the rest of the band.

Hasn't it been a solo project always, like before he even had that band?

Maybe so, I liked the band more than I like him

yeah it started as a solo project, so imo fair for him to use the name now even when it's just himself. but this one has a band

I saw them play last summer and the band was Nat Baldwin on bass, Mike Johnson drumming (who took over when Brian McOmber left after recording Swing Lo Magellan), Olga Bell doing loads of stuff and singing, Mauro Refosco on percussion, Ty Braxton on modular synth and laptop and a brass section.

Judging by the new press photos, Nat Baldwin and Mike Johnson are still playing in the group, and not sure who the other members are.

https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5ae9c394eaa03d5ad95c5c23/2:1/w_790/Dirty-Projectors.jpg

Absolutely knew Pitchfork would skewered it because they missed their opportunity to do it on the last album, which was retrospectively deemed problematic, plus Longstreth had that godawful Instagram post about 2009 and this album has a Robin Pecknold duet on it.

*skewer

I remember it being deemed problematic before it came out, which is fair, because it is. it has its moments musically but it's really pathetic lyrically

Agreed it was certainly flagged by some before (myself included – I still skip Keep Your Name each time) but not Pitchfork, which is amongst the reasons they're going to go for a pile-on on this one.

Dirty Projectors announce the new album Lamp Lit Prose out July 13 on Domino. Produced by Dave Longstreth at his studio Ivo Shandor in Los Angeles, the new album features guest appearances from SYD, EMPRESS OF, AMBER MARK, HAIM, ROSTAM, ROBIN PECKNOLD, and DEAR NORA, as well as longtime DPs’ rhythm section Nat Baldwin and Mike Johnson.

That's in the mail out... I can't put any of those names with the faces in the pics

https://www.jambase.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dirty-projectors-2018-crop-1480x832.jpg

rest of the band is "Felicia Douglass (percussion/vocals), Maia Friedman (guitar/vocals), and Kristin Slipp (keyboards, vocals)"

he's trying so hard to be breezy and accessible but it rings false to me

Sounds great to me, on board for this

Is Keep Your Name really all that "problematic"? Are bitter breakup songs toxic masculinity now?

I guess all the potential takes on it were already kinda hashed out upthread. But IDK, I kinda feel like the otherwise positive social justice bent of our age has led to some really superficial listening.

'up in hudson' too. i just found it boring more than anything else, and it really weighed down and distracted from the (often very good, even great) music. especially 'up in hudson'

Nah man alive people are just bitter - good shit

Problematic in the sense that he sounded like a dick when he sang "What I want from art is truth, what you want is fame" really, even though I'd say it makes much more sense in that song that that is being said to the song's narrator rather than by him.

I also just didn't like how that song sounded with everything slowed down. I still generally enjoy that album. Lots of great stuff on it.

Lamonti otm he didn’t need to throw amber under a bus

He should just retiitle the project it won’t dirty projectors without amber

Okay, at this point I'm kinda impressed. Is it just me or does half the instruments sound like they're being played backwards? Strings, harmonica, and that weird robotic guitar sound. And yet it all fits rhythmically, in a way that is just lightyears beyond anything else happening in indie-rock. Not that it says that much, but still.

Problematic in the sense that he sounded like a dick when he sang "What I want from art is truth, what you want is fame" really, even though I'd say it makes much more sense in that song that that is being said to the song's narrator rather than by him.

I also just didn't like how that song sounded with everything slowed down. I still generally enjoy that album. Lots of great stuff on it.

― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 4 May 2018 06:04 (seven hours ago) Permalink

Right this is what I'm talking about, I mean it's very much at least open to that reading. Also, I think it's ok to have songs in which the narrator sounds like a dick. It's also an example of why I dislike the word "problematic"--it becomes this way of blurring the space in between just being a bit of a jerk and being racist, misogynistic etc., an inconclusive innuendo that make something "not ok" without quite having to justify why.

He should just retiitle the project it won’t dirty projectors without amber

― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, May 4, 2018 1:08 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was Dirty Projectors before Amber.

Are bitter breakup songs toxic masculinity now?

i feel like this q is really disingenuous and doesn’t have much to do with reality? the answer is no not necessarily

the greater flaw of the dp record was it was a boring breakup record, and yeah knowing who the songs were about and how uncharitable and shitty they were kinda hammered the point home!

Lol man that’s not my point. She’s so much part of that sound it doesn’t matter whether it’s his Og shif

also yeah i think there’s a point to be made that amber shifted the direction of this band significantly

Shit

Dunno about you but stillness is the move is my litmus - fuck this guys corner after breakup shit

Corny ***

I love the pre-Amber stuff though. The breakup record I agree, not so much. Didn't hate it but didn't feel compelled to listen to it that many times.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=34STLHtu97A

also yeah i think there’s a point to be made that amber shifted the direction of this band significantly

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, May 4, 2018 9:53 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

angel deradoorian was a huge part of the change in sound too but i don't think anyone is losing sleep about the fact that she's not in the band anymore.

the greater flaw of the dp record was it was a boring breakup record, and yeah knowing who the songs were about and how uncharitable and shitty they were kinda hammered the point home!

I was a weird thing to see DPs tour post-Stillness, and see that 2/3rds of the crowd was there for that song, and was into the hocketing and Angel moments, but really not enamoured with the Dave solo moments

It felt to me like Swing Lo was, instead of giving in to "what had resonated"-- putting the spotlight on Amber-- was Dave attempting to reclaim DPs as being the vehicle for his own voice and performance

And subsequently s/t was strange and bitter and frustrating. I think I described it upthread as "being forced to listen to a man berate his girlfriend on the subway"

I really like this band and am looking forward to this new album

Call all destroyer - I haven’t slept all night so nope

angel deradoorian was a huge part of the change in sound too but i don't think anyone is losing sleep about the fact that she's not in the band anymore.

― call all destroyer, Friday, May 4, 2018 7:00 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true (sorry angel)

fgti generally otm

Right this is what I'm talking about, I mean it's very much at least open to that reading. Also, I think it's ok to have songs in which the narrator sounds like a dick. It's also an example of why I dislike the word "problematic"--it becomes this way of blurring the space in between just being a bit of a jerk and being racist, misogynistic etc., an inconclusive innuendo that make something "not ok" without quite having to justify why.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, May 4, 2018 2:44 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't like that line read either way really, if it's him saying it, or him putting those words in someone else's mouth. The main thing I dislike about that song is that it's boring by the standards DL has set. There are some great moments on that record though.

I thought "problematic" was the right word to use because it's just used as an ill-defined red flag for a huge range of types of behaviour generate online criticism, from really serious shit to writing a (possibly/somewhat) mean-spirited song about one's ex -- the fact that they get bundled together is a bigger conversation. I think there's some fairly nuanced discussion of the record on this thread. I think it gets less bitter as it goes along, finishing with the sentiments in Cool Your Heart and I See You.

But yeah... there are couple of real clunkers dropped in it.

Are bitter breakup songs toxic masculinity now?

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, May 3, 2018 10:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

toxic masculinity and bitter breakup stuff (songs, art, or otherwise) have been intertwined since the beginning of time, this isn't some ~*social justice*~ invention

angel deradoorian was a huge part of the change in sound too but i don't think anyone is losing sleep about the fact that she's not in the band anymore.

Deradoorian released much more interesting music over the last few years than Dirty Projectors.

katherine otm, way better answer than mine

Katherine hitting it out the park

[*hockets*] She she takes takes just just like like a a woman woman, yes yes

that song is actually misogynistic though