Chuck Berry R.I.P.

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I had to check my copy twice but how is it that Great Twenty-Eight doesn't have "Promised Land"?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link

being a sexual predator plus being good at your job does not make you “complex.” consider the message you’re sending to victims with this
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, March 18, 2017

You seemed to be more forgiving of Michael Jackson seven years ago.

The songs only hint at what a deeply mysterious man he was; his imagination couldn't keep apace with his demons and passions. I know the newssmen are themselves getting their wits togeher, but I wish they wouldn't talk about him in such abstract terms. He was, with Prince, the most brilliant popular musician of his generation -- why isn't his songwriting and production ever discussed as often as his dancing and celebrity goofiness?
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:17 PM

― clemenza,

oh I've changed since 2009 and have got a paper trail, thanks to more contact with college students. And I'm not sure what you're suggesting? I've nowhere indicated blanket dismissals.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link

wait -- are you confusing the tweet I pasted (with screenname) with my opinion?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:10 (seven years ago) link

Simply that you were ready to grant complexity to Michael Jackson that you seem to want to deny Chuck Berry. But I agree with J.D.; put all that aside for at least a few hours (I feel bad contributing to it).

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:12 (seven years ago) link

where have I denied complexity? This is what I wrote "I'd love to read a feminist appreciation taking into account the reported aberrant sexual conduct." This is adding complexity!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:14 (seven years ago) link

"being a sexual predator plus being good at your job does not make you “complex.” consider the message you’re sending to victims with this"

That seemed directed at Berry--how else is that supposed to be read?

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link

What you're missing is that's not something Alfred said - it's something some asshole tweeted, and he quoted (with attribution).

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link

Always liked this underrated aero piece on "Back to Memphis":

http://lastplanetojakarta.com/articles/memphis.html

etc, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link

clem, I've twice pointed out that I didn't write it: I pasted it from Twitter.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link

at any rate I wrote an obit two hours ago.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link

Right--I missed that. Sorry. My impatience--or at least put-it-aside for the moment--is directed at the author of the tweet.

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:18 (seven years ago) link

I'm probably working from the assumption that to quote something like that implies some level of agreement, and that it's not just thrown out there--in the context of people paying tribute to Berry--as a conversation starter. I guess I misunderstood the intention.

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link

greil m wrote a very nice piece a while back about "more chuck berry," an old hits collection that popped up a lot in 70s-era critics' all-time best lists. reminded me that i'd really like to reread his autobiography one of these days.

https://greilmarcus.net/2016/02/10/more-chuck-berry-041201/

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link

i'm guessing the "content strategist" who wrote that original tweet had not spent a lot of time thinking about chuck berry prior to this afternoon

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:26 (seven years ago) link

There's nothing wrong with the tweet as a conversation starter -- if that's the intention. To remain at the level of the tweet is the end of crit.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:27 (seven years ago) link

I read something by Marcus or Christgau that the rationale for choosing More as the best available compilation was that it was all the best stuff from Golden Decade + "Come On." (But it still misses "Promised Land.")

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:28 (seven years ago) link

The Berry chapter in the RS Encyclopedia of Rock is a superb piece of writing.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link

Wow, this photo: apparently, Michael Jackson made the mistake of introducing one of his sisters to Berry at the American Music Awards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7PaOvVVwAA71eb.jpg

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 19 March 2017 02:04 (seven years ago) link

her name is LaToya iirc

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 March 2017 02:12 (seven years ago) link

Ms. Jackson if you're--nah, just LaToya's enough.

Re covers: "Memphis" is far from my favourite Chuck Berry song (I remember my guitar teacher trying to teach it to me when I was 10 or something like that), but I think this is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQR0K4JT-rA

("In 1956, when American was giving birth to rock and roll, one man was already trying to kill it.")

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 02:32 (seven years ago) link

yeah Memphis is awesome

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 March 2017 02:34 (seven years ago) link

Sandy Bull's version of Memphis is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4_pXCTpjRg

Just remembered he shows up in Wim Wenders' "Alice in the Cities" singing "Memphis," and that the song parallels the film's plot somewhat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bea9rR4F-4

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 02:41 (seven years ago) link

Only the good die young.

Chuck was great.

RIP Chuck Berry

Mark G, Sunday, 19 March 2017 03:35 (seven years ago) link

Saw him once in '86, around the release of that concert doc. He was ornery at the end of it when the crowd started to clamber onstage. I was entirely satisfied.

hail hail indeed

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 March 2017 03:43 (seven years ago) link

maybe i saw the same show as morbs in '86? he was playing with john entwistle, half of rockpile, chuck leavell, and treated them just like any other backup band with zero rehearsal. brilliant, regardless. miss u chuck.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 19 March 2017 10:23 (seven years ago) link

no, mine was the same ol' usual no-name locals he habitually used.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 March 2017 10:35 (seven years ago) link

think i saw him in berlin in '88 but can't find the ticket now. local band played desultory r 'n' r instrumentals to warm up the audience, he left it very late to get on stage, arrived with suitcase and guitar. strict hour set, all the classics and moves, band couldn't keep up with him, akin to a mid-90s fall gig for lack of togetherness and 100% rock n roll. a true great. going to dust off the vinyls now...

matt dc and vegemitegrrl entirely otm upthread.

wtev, Sunday, 19 March 2017 10:58 (seven years ago) link

RIP genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jKrHzps0XM

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 March 2017 11:51 (seven years ago) link

her name is LaToya iirc

I couldn't tell which sister it was (LaToya or Rebbie, but definitely not Janet) and she wasn't ID-ed when I saw the photo on Twitter.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 19 March 2017 13:23 (seven years ago) link

What's not to love about his music? The way the guitar swings on this one, or the lyrical inventiveness, like the way he keeps checking his watch in Reelin and Rockin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5gx_b_XCvY

Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 19 March 2017 13:31 (seven years ago) link

"Promised Land" is basically the ur-text for Southern Rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6MElklfvM

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/chuck-berry/1986/the-ritz-new-york-ny-5bf64b3c.html

^98% sure this is the show i saw

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 March 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link

ah, ok. this one was mine:

https://www.wolfgangs.com/chuck-berry/posters/poster/FEL861018.html

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 19 March 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link

I'd seen this before somewhere--the reviews are funny. (Can't read them if I reduce the size.)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gxlkC63prUQ/UICCLhE2p7I/AAAAAAAAKto/EDdI6kVIu_Q/s1600/sept80-10-11.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IErA3Ag4w-Q/UICCUYSPgnI/AAAAAAAAKtw/AM2NHuvcVPk/s1600/sept80-12-13.jpg

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link

<3 the reviews, I can imagine that making the Ramones' day.

Thirty-six takes on Maybellene?! Is he for real? Jesus. I always figured they just came in, set up, played it once. It's such a fresh, barrelling performance, just crackling and young and vibrant and bold.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 19 March 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link

That could've included false starts, breakdowns, and general workings-on of the song, though. And, as with "Like A Rolling Stone," which took 20 takes but the 4th was used as the master, it might not have been the 36th take that was released.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 19 March 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link

Looks like the Joy Division track was mistitled. I wonder which one he was listening to.

jmm, Sunday, 19 March 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

Those reviews are hard to read, I should have just posted a link:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/chuck_berry_reviews_sex_pistols_talking_heads_clash_and_many_more_1980

The comparison of Wire to Muddy Waters is fascinating, the kind of intuitive musician's connection I'd never pick up on. At the other end of the spectrum, I'm not sure if his comment about Lydon's anger is genuine or him just slyly feigning befuddlement--I suspect the latter, with a healthy dose of "Did I tell you about 1955?" mixed in.

clemenza, Sunday, 19 March 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link

I read something by Marcus or Christgau that the rationale for choosing More as the best available compilation was that it was all the best stuff from Golden Decade + "Come On." (But it still misses "Promised Land.")

Seem to recall they didn't like other collections available at the time because they were either re-records or fake stereo.

Got Your Money Changes Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 March 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link

I was attending an open mic night tonight where one guy got up and sang a Berry song. After he finished and everyone clapped, the organiser guy shouted "yeah lets all applaud a paedophile."

To which mass confusion ensued where the bloke singing thought he was talking about him. lol

PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Monday, 20 March 2017 00:43 (seven years ago) link

lmao fuck

flappy bird, Monday, 20 March 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link

yeah the fake stereo on Golden Decade is not good. a lot of songs definitely sound wimpier than i remember them being.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 20 March 2017 02:50 (seven years ago) link

I was a little worried his new album would be shelved or left unfinished, but Rolling Stone reports details about the release will be out later this week.

DavidLeeRoth, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link

Johnny B. Goode/His Complete '50s Chess Recordings is so great and in mono

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link

that version of Promised Land tipsy posted is awesome as hell

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 20 March 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link

yes. i want so much more of that.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Monday, 20 March 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link

looks like this is the full 1972 show that included that Promised Land:

https://youtu.be/YtrOr3WKmyY?list=PL61vsQuhgyGcv8Pbh3KBG5y5USNRTazDR

Brad C., Monday, 20 March 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link

might wanna listen to this at 9pm ET tonight

https://wfmu.org/2017/03/20/chuck-berry-tribute-thurs-night/

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 March 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link

omg

http://images2.onionstatic.com/onion/5657/1/original/700.jpg

soref, Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:25 (seven years ago) link


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