Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Also, Sterling mischaracterized me. I am not pissed with the regulars. I am not pissed with the new DMB advocates. I do think it's a shame that vocal proponents on both sides have turned this into the "my musical taste is better than yours" debate.

There should be more inventive name-calling and teasing and less chastizing. Humor brings people together.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I never called Ned in particular out, tho I was somewhat frustrated by the "we all have different tastes but MINE are better" act becuz it seemed to cut off any possible discussion about DMB rather smugly and rilly was just a more articulate version of the more irritating things coming from the DMB hordes (more excusable there becuz they haven't wedded themselves to this act through years of fine-tuning) and meanwhile tho the taunting and baiting from other quarters was what rilly frustrated me.

And y3ncey can eat a bag of stereotypical dicks. 50,000 DMB fans might be wrong but they're sure more interesting than corny indie fucks like you.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

how am i a corny indie fuck sterling??? how many dmb shows have you been to?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

blub blub blub

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/selleck.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

Why do you think we throw stuff at you?

You own all our cd's- you're gay, you're gay
You own all our 7"s- you're gay, you're gay
You bought all our t-shirts- you're gay, you're gay
You go to all our shows- you're gay, you're gay

[Chorus:] All our fans are gay [x4]

You think you know what we are singing about- you're wrong
You think we care about the underground- you're wrong
You think we won't fuck up your club- you're wrong
You think we care if you like us- you're wrong

[Chorus]

If we're nice to you, it's because we're broke
Or unless you got some drugs to smoke
When the drugs are gone, then we are too
Then we'll go back to making fun of you

[Fan voice:] "But I've supported you guys for so long"
FAGGOT!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

The real fans don't go to shows.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

haha! nice.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

meanwhile Ned and Aaron need to lighten the fuck up and *listen* for a change to the points that foax are making.

-- Sterling Clover (s_clove...), June 7th, 2003 2:16 AM. (later)

later...

Actually I never called Ned in particular out -- Sterling Clover (s_clove...), June 9th, 2003 1:39 PM. (later)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

memory is a dodgy thing.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

< /reagan>

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

I don't recall that.

― J (Jay), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yes blount once you find the quote where I cop to trading guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table then it will be just like reagan.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

you'll never confess!!!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

"I... trad[e] guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table. . . just like [R]eagan." -- Sterling Clover, June 9th, 2003

THE SMOKING GUN!!!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Wow.. I hope you guys aren't older than like 12, because that would be pretty sad.

― James, Monday, 9 June 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

http://kr4jb.net/alan/cv/boris&natasha.gif

moose and squirrel have foiled us again my love!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

HOORAY this thread is back on track!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

So what's the longest ILM thread then?

― J (Jay), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Trust me, it ain't this one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Parsing Xgau, I believe.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Or Nas-JZ.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Technotronic is better than Dave Matthews on the strength of 'Pump Up The Jam' alone

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yes blount once you find the quote where I cop to trading guns to crazy right-wing strongmen under the table then it will be just like reagan.
"Welll...yes...mistakes were made, but I know that My people did nothing wrong. They are all patriotic freedom fighters."

Crime Fighters == Fight Crime
Fire Fighters == Fight Fire
Freedom Fighters == ??

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

Technotronic is better than Dave Matthews on the strength of 'Pump Up The Jam' alone

Not sure that's what's meant by "jam band," Millar, but run with that thought!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:34 (twenty years ago) link

Crime Fighters == Fight Crime
Fire Fighters == Fight Fire
Freedom Fighters == ??

Further evidence that Custos Epsilon is truly deserving of the title, LORD. SALUT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I kinda sorta stole that bit from George Carlin.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

pedantic

― Marien, Monday, 9 June 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

That doesn't change the fact that its a very good question.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

I was going to make an argument about why all the people talking shit about someone elses music are fucking lamers, but I decided that it was a waste of time. Go fuck yourselves and come back when you've actually accomplished something important.

― matt klasdjasdfjklf, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:30 (twenty years ago) link

Done and done!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

oops are both "dones" referring to the same thing??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

i'll never tell

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:56 (twenty years ago) link

Hey idiot boy -- this is ILM, it's a *MUSIC DISCUSSION BOARD* Invariably there is going to be some differences of opinion regarding certain artists (not just your precious Dave Matthews) and, summarily, a certain degree of "talking some shit" is going to go down. Go cower under your duvet if you can't handle it, but chastizing folks for having and expressing entirely grounded and justifiable opinions is a ridiculous statement.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:57 (twenty years ago) link

''okay first I'm with dan at being pissed at the regulars acting like fucktards and baiting obv. v. young foax for no good reason -- go pick on ppl. yr. own size.''

isn't sterling assuming these ppl are 15? or have i missed the bit where DMB fans state their age?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.rockpalastarchiv.de/bild/bild/kj1.jpg

they're all under 21 surely!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

Sterling is making assumptions about the DMB posters which are more condescending than what he's accusing Ned and Aaron of doing.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

Er, what Dan said. I had been wondering about that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

That's a bit stereotypical. But then I wouldn't expect much better of you guys. I'm 32

― James, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

YOU ANCIENT FOGEY

(I'm 30)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

I've always suspected that the average humanoid doesn't gain useful musical taste until after the age of 15 (hence the existence of Kiss, the Knack and the Insane Clown Posse), and loses it after the age of 40. (hence the existence of Neil Diamond, Michael Bolton and Celine Dion.)
Does anyone think this notion might have a genuine basis in nuerochemistry or is that the Michael Bolton fans were ALWAYS sans-taste motards?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

(side question: and why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

I formed my ICP love at age 22. (Granted it faded a lot by age 28 but _Ringmaster_, _Riddlebox_ and the attendant EPs are all still fantastic.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?

When the apocalypse comes, you don't want to be caught without your limes.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha, you'll get scurvy!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!
Well, thats *is* my theory. If you think it's incomplete, please enlighten us to how you modify it to bring it closer to your vision of reality.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

But Custos 95% of ILM is in those brackets and at least 60% of us have shit taste. How do ya splain that?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?
(xpost)

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!
In my book that means you have good taste.

Waitasec? 60%? How'd you come up with that figure, Yanc3y?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

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