Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

I saw this last weekend, it was p great. My favorite piece was the fake cereal box tbh.

http://www.chabotspace.org/startrek

i've been working through DS9 for the first time and just saw "the visitor" for the first time, and holy shit what a gut wrenching episode. i knew the episode was special when it managed to bring me to tears a couple of times.

sure the frame story was a bit cheesy at time, but it's definitely the best episode i've seen by far

Candyman brings it.

the visitor is total classic

Yeah, it's grand. Soon after this first broadcast I stopped regularly watching both then-current series -- my interests were starting to drift elsewhere, in combination with me moving into what was the final phase of my increasingly stress-filled grad school life -- and aside from an idle eye on the movies I've never really 'returned' to Trek in full. But having this as a bit of an unplanned send-off was lovely.

I started (re)watching a few Voyager episodes, and either I've had bad luck picking the episodes or the series was simply terrible. (I'm being rhetorical here.) The forced bonhomie is what bothers me the worst -- you've got Starfleet and former Maquis together on the same ship and marooned light-decades away from home, yet it's a big corny-joke making family.

terrible show

watching a few TOS episodes a week w/my daughter has been a real pleasure

just watch all the bryan fuller-written eps of voyager and you're good

Bashir-Worf Hypothesis: a relationship with the Dax symbiont affects the subject's world view.

The forced bonhomie is what bothers me the worst -- you've got Starfleet and former Maquis together on the same ship and marooned light-decades away from home, yet it's a big corny-joke making family.

It's worth reading the second volume of the recent Trek oral history just to see pretty much every single person who ever worked on the show continually drag Berman & Braga on this very topic. "By the end of the pilot they're all in Starfleet uniforms and reporting to Janeway like it's no big thing, WGAF?" Writers who transitioned from DS9 were especially pissed at setting up this group that was going to be used on Voyager just to see the entire premise instantly pissed away.

Yeah, as a criticism it definitely sticks and the first 2/3 seasons aren't all that...but beyond that I can watch a lot of it compared to NG.

voyager has a bunch of fun high-concept episodes but few good character-based ones

Do you count "Bride of Chaotica" as one of the former? Because I watched it recently and was incredibly bored.

the one where everyone is dying from some incurable disease which leads them to find out they're copies of the real voyager and crew

Living Witness is probably the best example of what I mean

I've been thinking more about Voyager (who knows why) and it's not even the Maquis/Starfleet thing that bugs me -- it's that the writing/dialogue is so artificial and dumb which leads to very little on-screen chemistry between the bridge crew. Basically, any non-holographic/ex-Borg character interacting with any other non-holographic/ex-Borg character is bad -- Janeway is probably the worst of the bunch, even though Mulgrew is perfectly fine as an actor!

It would probably be more interesting to watch 45 minutes of the actors having lunch in full makeup than any given episode of the series.

my daughter and I just got to the Space Seed last week, she was so into it

Not only were the actors boring, they stayed boring for SEVEN WHOLE SEASONS. That's an almost respectable commitment.

wtf is this vic fontaine shit? and apparently he becomes a recurring character?

Vic Fontaine was a bad idea, but the actor/singer playing him is enjoyable, and the episode with him and PTSD Nog is really good, so they kinda manage to salvage that it could've been.

Apparently he was only added to the show because Ira Steven Behr loves '50s crooner music. And they originally intended to cast Frank Sinatra Jr. for the role!

The holodeck heist episode that takes place in his casino was an enjoyable breather amidst the Dominion war arc too. Really, they managed to make lemonade out of that particular lemon.

Fuck all the haters, Vic is awesome. Best holodeck character in all of ST. For whatever that's worth.

Picard and riker would disagree

https://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/binar2.jpg

It's weird that they never really get into the ethics of a captive holodeck being. Especially with Vic, who remembers his past experiences, etc.

TNG "Ship in a Bottle"? and i'm sure Voyager did it with the Doctor at some point though not necessarily well

I'll have to look that one (Ship in a Bottle) up.

Ship in a Bottle gets into the ethics of holodeck beings like Triumph of the Will gets into the ethics of fascism.

yeah it's not at all a hard look at it but it plays off the concept

Its decent for a TNG ep

Rewatched "Ship in a Bottle" for the poll and was underwhelmed. I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.

OTOH, Voyager's "Blink of an Eye" is fun!

I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.

haha yes

yeah i rewatched it last night after mentioning it in here and i still enjoyed but the ending is certainly more effective if you aren't expecting it

Blink of an Eye another good exmaple of the sort of silly high-concept thing that produces the most watchable Voyager eps

pretty sure Moriarty was lying about being awake while in storage. he was smarter than data, you know!

I can't believe this is going to air first before Discovery ever does. Or maybe I can.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-seth-macfarlanes-star-trek-spoof-1795237662

ew

i'll watch that tripe. over/under on episodes until cancellation?

Oh god that's a TV series?? Why couldn't it just be a movie, where we could hold our breaths during its opening weekend and then forget about it afterwards?

boo. makes me want to retroactively forget any Family Guy episodes i have watched

I wish Cleveland Show was still around tbh

Just watch Galaxy Quest again

I'm glad he helped get cosmos mk ii made and that he likes to hire old school film composers but other than that seth mcfarlane completely sucks shit

Otm

MacFarlane's smoothness creeps me the fuck out. He's like an unattractive version of Jude Law's sexbot from AI.

cosmos mark 2 was kind of pointless

dude is chummy with patrick stewart, no?

this is probably anathema on this thread, but is it okay to ask if patrick stewart is a normally intelligent person? he always seems like a genial dope to me, but i am not a fan exactly.