Faith No More: Angel Dust v. The Real Thing

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Let's gossip: I think it's fucked up how Mike treated Trey at the end of Mr. Bungle.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link

I think I'd be more afraid if everyone was in agreement re: FNM, Tomahawk, Peeping Tow, Fantomas, Mr. Bungle, Lovage, solo, Zorn stuff, et al. They're sort of designed to defy consensus.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:53 (seven years ago) link

+ all the Secret Chiefs stuff + live shows post California is much better than anything Patton has done.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:53 (seven years ago) link

Hey Kurt - how did Mike treat Trey? curious...

Favourite Patton:

Mr. Bungle - California - Would kill to see a documentary on this illuminating the weird tape methods they used.
Mondo Cane - S/T
Fantomas - Suspended Animation
Faith No More - Angel Dust

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link

King For a Day... is my favourite FNM album at this stage.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link

The story goes: Mike wouldn't talk to Trey directly and wanted all communication go through Greg W, former Jello Biafra/AT biz dude and the guy Patton founded Ipecac with. Trey didn't want to do business through Greg and wanted to do things like they always have (they are all childhood friends). This caused a huge fight and Mike, when asked about the future of Mr. B in Rolling Stone, said some pretty mean shit about Trey.. he is a self centered egomaniac or something. Trey handled it in the press with much more class.

Trey: As time wears on you find out who your friends are, and who they aren't. Mike and I always had the best working relationship imaginable. Really, very very good and fruitful. There are other things in life we see differently. I don't think those things are irreconcilable at all. But when you get used to having things your own way, and certain people around you resist the "natural order" of becoming subordinate to you, you may start nursing resentments. Even lashing out at them and calling them egomaniacs etc. for not assuming the position. I think in my case it was too painful for Patton to realize that where there are no subordinates there is no insubordination. Like most of us, Mike tends to begin the process of deciding whether or not he can afford to discard a person's point of view altogether, rather than facing certain difficult facts of life. So to answer your question, there was never any big mess between he and I specifically. The general dysfunction coming from being expected to silently endure more and more of this emerging top-down/top-dog order-barking thing he'd taken to just ended up getting really tiresome for everyone involved. In a band, strong personalities need to know where to draw the line on this kind of stuff. Anyway, since it wasn't going to happen, I was the idiot who started to draw that line. I admit I had more emotional involvement in the process than would be neccesary for a non-robot, having poured comparatively ridiculously copious doses of my blood into the project. Patton's subsequent resentment towards me is a fairly predictable outcome. You don't stand up to him and stay off the shit-list. A bummer, yeah, but its essentially a self-protecting reflex action - something I don't really feel a need to hold against him too much. He has his way. It won't change. And after all why should it? This method works well for him overall -- who am I to question it? I dare say it's even part of his charm. (we are a nation of pathological narcissists after all!). Whatever. Really, I feel fondly about the time we spent making music together, and feel we did some great things. And, while I am diametrically opposed to it on a human level, over time I do appreciate the clarity of his cut and dry approach: how black and white it makes things. You're either in the club, or out of the club. Unfortunately, I have to say I do prefer life as an excommunicate from that kind of 'friendship'. I know he prefers it that way too. I'm sure both of us would agree it was a good run, though.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link

Patton: “We could have probably squeezed out a couple more records but the collective personality of this group became so dysfunctional, this band was poisoned by one person's petty jealousy and insecurity, and it led us to a slow, unnatural death. And I'm at peace with that, because I know I tried all I could.”

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link

To be honest I would not know whose side to take on that without more inside knowledge - they both say more or less the same thing about the other in different ways (Trey somewhat more magnaminously, granted).

chap, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link

it's definitely one of those "i wasn't there, i don't know" things for me, and they've worked together since then anyway.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link

Thanks for sharing that Kurt. Secret Chiefs rule hard live...it's a shame the only time I've seen Patton was Peeping Tom which was like the diluted version of everything that makes Patton good.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link

Only time I've seen Patton was in 96 with FNM, should probably keep it that way.

chap, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link

Fantomas videos rule hard live though, especially with Terry Bozzio

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link

Ha, it's like their first criteria was a bigger kit than Lombardo's.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:09 (seven years ago) link

It's been over a decade since I've followed Mike Patton religiously, but didn't he do a song with Secret Chiefs at some point in the last few years? That seemed to bode wel for a possible Bungle reunion, but of course it didn't happen.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 9 March 2017 01:43 (seven years ago) link

I liked the Fantomas lineup with Crover a lot.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 9 March 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwERjFal7Rs

Jackie, the jacque brel one?

with Secret Chiefs

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 9 March 2017 01:50 (seven years ago) link

Pretty awesome, though hard not to hear Walker's version in the back of my head

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 9 March 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link

holy crap i didn't know about that track. it's great!!!

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 9 March 2017 10:45 (seven years ago) link

Seemed to put to rest any hard feelings between the two at the time.

I don't think Mike's been too prolific lately anyway. I heard one track from the album with the guy from TV on the Radio. It was really, really, really bad. That came out in the last year or two, right?

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 9 March 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, doesn't seem like he's been up to much. Nevermen album was bad, but the Boards of Canada remix of Mr Mistake is great.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 9 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link

Was going to make a smartass comment about wasn't there talk about a FNM reunion album at some point OH WAIT but then I just realized that that was two years ago and now I feel old and sad, wondering where it is that time goes when it slips through my fingers unnoticed.

The twin snake of violence and sex is more like a sick wolf. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link

There was also that new FNM album..never really heard it

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 9 March 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link

I liked it at first. Haven't really thought about it since.

chap, Thursday, 9 March 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Cone of Shame, Matador and Separation Anxiety are pretty rocking.

chap, Thursday, 9 March 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link

Was going to make a smartass comment about wasn't there talk about a FNM reunion album at some point OH WAIT but then I just realized that that was two years ago and now I feel old and sad, wondering where it is that time goes when it slips through my fingers unnoticed.

― The twin snake of violence and sex is more like a sick wolf. (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 9, 2017 9:09 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the original reformation was in 2009

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

which makes me feel old and sad lol

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

FNM reunion album =a good album, nothing spectacular

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 March 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link

I just checked out the Ipecac site for the first time in years and it's just a huge list of Omar Rodriguez-Lopez releases. Damn.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 9 March 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link

The only album I've listened to on Ipecac recently is A Raw Youth by Le Butcherettes.

Which was produced by Omar Rodriguez-Lopez.

how's life, Thursday, 9 March 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

King For A Day is fkn genius

Angel Dust makes me feel like I'm in high school (in a good way)

The Real Thing still surprises me, even now it sounds exciiting

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link

My personal accounting of albums to listen to on a Walkman while mowing the lawn: Physical Graffiti, Superunknown, The Real Thing

The twin snake of violence and sex is more like a sick wolf. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link

(Oh, and I listened to the first Comus album when I mowed my mom's yard a few years ago, that was pretty ace but it was not on a Walkman.)

The twin snake of violence and sex is more like a sick wolf. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link

just imagining the neighbor's kids running home crying cos the man next door is screaming "SURPRISE! YOU'RE DEAD!" while mowing the lawn

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link

FTR I was like thirteen when I was screaming "SURPRISE! YOU'RE DEAD!" and making kids run home crying.

The twin snake of violence and sex is more like a sick wolf. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

My very obnoxious friend put "The Bends" from Disco Volante on full blast on his car and we drove around suburban Dallas with his windows rolled all the way down. So many nasty looks. I think that's the one with all the horrible noise. It's been a while.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link

if i had had a cell phone in 1993, be aggressive would have been my ringtone

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 March 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link

I love it how the vocal approach that Patton utilised on The Real Thing only lasted for that album!

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Thursday, 9 March 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link

Looks like Kaada and Patton did another album in 2016 in re: to what Patton's been up to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PohCD7Umz98

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 19 March 2017 22:08 (seven years ago) link

That video's good, but I wouldn't listen to a whole album of stuff like that really.

chap, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:25 (seven years ago) link

I just checked out the Ipecac site for the first time in years and it's just a huge list of Omar Rodriguez-Lopez releases. Damn.

― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:28 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok i just went to spotify and looked up holy fuck he releases like 6 records a year!!

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link

I owned the real thing on cassette was I was 10 years old and bought angel dust when I was 13. I wasnt able to appreciate most of it at the time but I'd like to think I got some good musical education in my yoof.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link

i spent hours with the real thing cassette. it had a massive fold-out lyric card, i can still remember the smell, vaguely tortilla-like, strangely

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link

I remember first hearing it on a Boy Scout campout and some kids in another tent were listening to Surprise, You're Dead and we all thought it was the funniest thing we'd ever heard in music. Then at the end of the side, the guy goes to flip the tape over and it's blue, which is also what happened to our minds at that moment.

how's life, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:20 (seven years ago) link

I also want to brag about owning 'Easy' on cassingle. and I still have it in my car.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

The Real Thing also contains some songs I don't dig on; Falling to Pieces is way up on that list.

I used to think this song was so trite, but these days it really captures my middle-aged anxiety.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link

Also, hooky as hell!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link

Yeah I literally just read the title and now it's on repeat in my head.

chap, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link

The only song I wish wasn't there is 'Edge of the World' which isn't good enough to overcome its unnecessary creepiness.

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link

Yeah, obviously a character study, but I've never found it entertaining either. Fortunately, it's not on the vinyl version of the album.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link

I mowed the lawn so many times in eighth grade while listening to The Real Thing that it's now pretty much inextricable from that activity in my mind. You might say it made lawn care seem...epic.

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link


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