this is the first day i've noticed only two reviews, usually it's four reviews per day
― neva missa lost, wednesday nights on abc (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
gotta make room for booze ads and links to non-music news!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
wait shakey doesnt like biggy?
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
west coast guy
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
that's... not an excuse
― flopson, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
It's partially true that the Jay-Z/Biggie axis just didn't circulate as much out here, but that's not all of it. I can pinpoint watching the "Big Poppa" video as the exact point at which I realized that rap as a mainstream pop phenomenon had morphed into something I definitely did not like and tbh my opinion has never changed. Puffy was a blight on the genre, and his success was emblematic of everything that went wrong from that point on imo. I don't really care about his canonization, and while I will agree that he was a solid rapper I just hate the sound and the nihilistic mythology of his two records.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
Pac's martyrdom/mythology isn't really much better but he at least had singles + producers + collaborators that I liked
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Can you pinpoint watching the "Juicy" or "Hypnotize" videos and recognizing that they're some of the most incredible rapping to ever appear on a mainstream single?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
*crosses shakey off list of ppl who can play my super nintendo & sega genesis*
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
I realized that rap as a mainstream pop phenomenon had morphed into something I definitely did not like and tbh my opinion has never changed
did you ever bother to listen to the actual albums and hear non-commercial, amazing songs like "the what" or "machine gun funk" or "10 crack commandments" or "warning"?
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
xp lol, i was gonna say this has the makings of a good ol' fashioned nerd fight and HERE WE ARE
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
with pitchdork banner in the background
sponsored by conde nast
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
you know what really might change my mind about Biggie? some retrospective Pfork reviews
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link
i didn't want to spoil it shakes...but...you are in for a treat :)
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:38 (seven years ago) link
birthdays was the worst daysfor clicks pitchfork is so thir-stay
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link
classic m@tt responses itt
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
shakey have you really tried? like really?
Everyday Struggle? Unbelievable? Suicidal Thoughts? the ones shakedown mentioned?
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
I'm too old to "try" to like things - of course I know 10 Crack Commandments and Suicidal Thoughts c'mon bro
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link
i just dont know man. cant fathom dislike for big on those grounds.
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
Yes, I enjoyed that. Michael Bolton seems like a pretty likeable guy.
the baconing of Michael Bolton is some bottom-tier kitsch barrel scraping imo. dude forever belongs as a punch line in an 80s Weird Al song.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
NEVER GIVE UP SHAKEY YOU CAN LIKE A RAPPER YOU'RE ONLY AS OLD AS YOU FEEL!!!!
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
I feel like I don't get anything lyrically from his records that I couldn't get from Scarface tbh, whose stuff just *sounds* better. but to be clear a lot of my dislike of his catalog is how poorly served he was beat-wise - in contrast to the sample-heavy or g-funk stuff that immediately preceded him, to my ears a lot of what he got was short, shitty loops over shitty drums and it grates on my ears. for the most part the post-golden age rap stuff that I like that crossed over into pop success - whether it's Wu-Tang or Timbaland/Missy or various southern guys - just had more going on sonically. he was a solid rapper but that's not enough for me. and then when Puffy shows up to interject some nonsense I'm just like arrrrrggggh get me outta here
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
the man invented the remix, show some respect fer chrissakes
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link
I feel substantially older than lil yachty btw
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link
speaking of:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bolton's_Big,_Sexy_Valentine's_Day_Special
i have to say, i went into it with my eyes already rolled, but after a rough first 10 minutes my eyes gradually rolled all the way back around to the normal position and i ended up watching the entire thing
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:30 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ten years ago you could easily have said the same thing about Blink 182, Bruce Hornsby, Janet Jackson, George Benson, and Wilson Philips, all of whom have since been canonized thanks to millennial garage punkers, Bon Iver, poptimist critics, stoned balearic djs, and corny Haim people, respectively
sunrise, sunset bro
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:36 (seven years ago) link
xp also I rep hard for Biggie but tbh that was a pretty compelling case, especially the comparisons to Scarface / Missy etc, both of whom have aged far better imo
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:41 (seven years ago) link
I will rep for 60s George Benson tbh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:50 (seven years ago) link
Yeah of course, me too, he's flat-out amazing on records like Freddie Hubbard's Straight Life, to name just one I really love. I meant "Breezin'" era
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:52 (seven years ago) link
yeah I can't go there
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
I mean maybe if a bunch of people yelled at me on the internet to TRY HARDER I... nah I still wouldn't do it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
god can we threadban shakey here i need a safe space from these opinions
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:59 (seven years ago) link
i never yelled, ill have you know.
I remember now how much you hate(d) diddy. makes sense his association w big would leave you cold. fair enough.
― Lebro v. Wade (Spottie), Thursday, 9 March 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link
haha no worries yeah I was conflating yr requests w Matt's mock-yelling
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 March 2017 00:02 (seven years ago) link
Best way to understand Biggie is via stuff not on the two records: "Party and Bullshit," "Bust a Nut, "Who Shot Ya," the "Dolly My Baby" remix, the "Flava In Ya Ear" remix, the Funk Flex/2Pac freestyle, the final Wake Up Show freestyle, etc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 9 March 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link
i agree with adam and karl re: bolton, the worst kind of baconing is the "omg it's become self-aware" kind of baconing.
― nomar, Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:13 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP158nfO3jA
― snappy baritone (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:21 (seven years ago) link
^^^
Equally applicable to the Americans thread on ILE
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
Best way to understand Biggie is via stuff not on the two records
Cool, guess i can stick w my "they all suck" position re: the records then
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:44 (seven years ago) link
Not sure what I don't "understand" about Biggie tbh. I get why he's a big deal in the history of the genre, doesn't mean I have to enjoy his music.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link
also, you can't really "get" phish by listening to their albums or listening to live shows. you actually have to go to a show.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 March 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
so you need to smell the audience
― Evan, Thursday, 9 March 2017 03:10 (seven years ago) link
I'm just saying, the reasons you dislike the albums are mostly absent on those tracks and may be a better gateway.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 9 March 2017 05:46 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:44 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Whiney's wrong btw both the albums are stacked so UR STILL WRONG
― flopson, Thursday, 9 March 2017 12:59 (seven years ago) link
en years ago you could easily have said the same thing about Blink 182, Bruce Hornsby, Janet Jackson, George Benson, and Wilson Philips, all of whom have since been canonized thanks to millennial garage punkers, Bon Iver, poptimist critics, stoned balearic djs, and corny Haim people, respectively
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:36 (
this is untrue of Janet Jackson and you know it
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 March 2017 13:01 (seven years ago) link
I don't remember the 6000-word AV Club piece arguing for the merits of Wilson Phillips either.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 March 2017 13:24 (seven years ago) link
no way you can compare Janet Jackson to Michael Bolton, that's insane
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 March 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
cunt renaissance
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 9 March 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link
NABISCO ON THE MONEY:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/09/magazine/25-songs-that-tell-us-where-music-is-going.html?smid=tw-nytmag&smtyp=cur&_r=0#/migos-bad-and-boujee
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 March 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link