what are barack obama's flaws?

dude c'mon. baseball season is coming up. elevate yr game

let me just say, as he did around 12:30pm this past Jan 20, "good job"

I hear he thinks that you're pretty mediocre yourself tbh

Help me catch up everyone. Are we arguing about whether Obama is the real racist?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2017/05/02/before-michelle-barack-obama-asked-another-woman-to-marry-him-then-politics-got-in-the-way/?utm_term=.e751e8b7a432

In his late 20s now and slightly older than most classmates, he had a compulsion to orate in class and summarize other people’s arguments for them. “In law school the only thing I would have voted for Obama to do would have been to shut up,” one student told Garrow.

I guess this guy thinks he is Robert Caro because this book is 1400 pages and apparently reserves Obama's entire presidency for an epilogue.

He pondered, he mused, he called senators, he wrote thoughts on a yellow legal pad, teasing out the constitutional obstacles, he consulted Michelle.

And he acted.

it's been curious for like a year now (and nobody says shit) that 45's half-brother hosts a fuck barry 'my half-brother' soetero twitter account ~

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

it's widely rumored that that account is run by chuck johnson

ok idk about 'widely' but i've seen that come up a bunch

cJmalik shouldn't have sold out to CJ :(

He's 44's half-brother.

abraham lincoln asked a woman to marry him before mary todd lincoln but then he found out she was a fattie and dumped her

true story

he's 45's half-brother more than he is 44's, considering the shit he talks

"Jager, who in “Dreams From My Father” was virtually written out, compressed into a single character along with two prior Obama girlfriends"

"Polly Perkins is a composite, like New York Magazine does"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1udbolCQAERMNn.png

After today's WaPo story, I expect his fealty to bipartisanship and the noble motives of his enemies will be his most damning flaw. And it proved dangerous.

he got played

After today's WaPo story, I expect his fealty to bipartisanship and the noble motives of his enemies will be his most damning flaw. And it proved dangerous.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, June 23, 2017 11:00 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know his moderation is really an admirable quality, though its effects on policy were mostly mixed. with time i appreciate his foreign policy approach more and more -- especially as it's become more clear that clinton was behind many of the missteps -- but domestically yes, it got him played

it doesn't matter; this is what this country deserves

"It got him played" suggests he was a passive actor.

i don't think this is right, though. the problem was they expected clinton to win like everyone else. avoiding a stink from trump about the rigged election was prudent on that basis. if they had realistically expected trump to win, the calculus on giving him fodder would have been different.

In some ways it's comforting to know that everyone underestimated the collective stupidity of US voters, all the way to the top, and in other ways it's very frightening

oh no, barack obama failed to anticipate the nation electing a charlatan television reality show host

I still don't understand that thinking, but it doesn't matter -- too late.

especially as it's become more clear that clinton was behind many of the missteps

― k3vin k., 24. juni 2017 04:29 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is hardly true, and a fair bit of a cop out. The driving force behind Libya was France, for instance.

clinton was responsible for making foreign policy decisions for the u.s., not france

No, Obama was the commander in chief.

In some ways it's comforting to know that everyone underestimated the collective stupidity of US voters, all the way to the top, the electoral college, and in other ways it's very frightening

Also Fred B otm
And Alfred otm with the revive
Obama needed more deontology, slightly less utilitarianism

He was weak on foreign policy. Which really isn't the worst thing to be, in practice the alternative has been bluster and stupidity. But even if he led Hillary talk him into stupid decisions - which really wasn't what happened... - that's him being weak. He led France lead the US into Libya, with bad consequences, and he led Russia lead the US out of Syria, with pretty bad consequences as well. He was 'deliberative and careful', if you want to describe it in a positive way, but that led others to take the lead, and it's as bad an outcome as can be that Russia then decided to hack the US election, and he didn't know what to do...

But, I mean, he is the US president with the best foreign policy this millenium. By far... Foreign policy is complicated.

Obama's foreign policy was fine. Our presidents are elected by 200 million provincial townspeople who can't find where Fred B lives on a map so I'm very happy whenever we get one who doesn't start two wars he can't fucking finish.

xp FB otm

(Zing crashed as I posted that fwiw)

yeah he would probably have the shortest sentence in The Hague of recent presidents

maybe 30 years

I'm very happy whenever we get one who doesn't start two wars he can't fucking finish.

ah, FINISHING them is the key

not finishing the ones you inherited, less important

Fuck you, you predictable shit. You're from the "America shouldn't have any foreign policy" wing of the left, we all fucking know

ok oily but we arent going to look back in 10 years and be like this guy was actually only okay

j0rda not otm

Thanks, T. How does your ilk sleep? Humanity ends at the border, obviously.

remember, when the cogs like El T say "foreign policy," hear "global abbatoir"

at least they're not predictable, tho

Yeah, it's all about how you sleep, right? You'd be fine with every non-American dying horrifically, as long as you could wash your own hands of it.

go get under a drone, u babbler

Fuck you

tom relax jeez!

not sure what fred's HRC white knighting is all about, i didn't really dis her that hard or anything. there's tons of reporting out there that suggests she was one of the louder hawks in obama's ear during her time at state, and given that obama's decision-making style was nothing if not collaborative (a good thing!), it seems reasonable to point that out. though yes, ultimately the decision is his

Fuck off with that sexist 'white knight' bullshit, will you?

everybody so touchy this morning huh

From my perspective, Obama was collaborative with the people he invited to the room. He always invited someone who would disagree with him, and then try to accommodate them. Not convince them to come around to his position. That's probably his greatest flaw, as Alfred alluded to above

He deserves a lot of praise for Cuba and Iran, though, I forgot about that. I think my main problem with his foreign policy was mostly his slowness. He didn't have a guiding ideology, which is a fairly good thing. He wanted to be reactive and free and improvising, but he was just at times so slow that things spun out of control before he did anything. The part of that WaPo story of them trying to figure out a response to the Russians is a comedy of errors.

Obama's foreign policy was fine.

lol

American FP orthodoxy is poison and O did nothing to change that even if he didn't necessarily indulge in every possible worst impulse