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original goblin guide is one of the rare triple threat cards (good card, good art, good flavor text)

ciderpress, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link

my exposure to the idea that the goblin guide art might be beloved for some reason comes from just reading someone speculating that the new art might be on purpose to maintain the price of the original, and now here.

i wish the damnation reprint had really terrible new art, that would've been hilarious.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link

meanwhile, if i had a deck with terminates, i would go out of my way to get this exact version, in japanese:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5uHAz5U0AA35PJ.png

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 14:26 (seven years ago) link

i dont understand that art but i like it anyway. the original with the volcano is good too tho

ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link

Snapcaster Mage in at mythic

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link

xp both the other versions (that i know anyway) are good actually, but i do really like this one. also the flavour text is apparently 'the sun always sets' in a p cool riposte to sun titan text.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link

the one thing i know about shards of alara was that the fixing sucked in limited, so it is going to be pretty sweet actually being able to cast those 3/4 mana shard uncommons.

i think i have managed to not put any money on mtgo so far this year so i am v excited to use that as an excuse to piss away a small fortune on this set.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link

yeah shards was weird, they made a big deal about doing a 3 color set and then just way undershot on the amount of fixing you need to play 3 colors in limited. full block fixed it with landcycling and borderposts and armillary sphere and such but in the first set you had to just play 2 colors with a small splash

ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link

new stony silence art also v good imo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5xj9aTWYAA-rt0.png

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link

that reminds me of this plains art http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/V9pr1xWOgp_KW_Plains.jpg

ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

ok, im doing my part to get this shit banned http://imgur.com/a/ursDc

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 03:55 (seven years ago) link

so the new modern masters is looking pretty absurd. I've seen some speculation that this is wotc's move to cash out of modern, don't know if there's any truth to that.

this seems like a rare case where buying boxes might actually be good value. is $225 per box worth it or just crazy?

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link

what does "cash out of modern" mean?

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link

basically dump out all the high demand cards in this set and then stop or ramp down their support for modern as a format going forward

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link

interesting. i don't even know what kind of resources they actually commit to modern anymore outside of the masters sets.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link

LOTV. they really have put everything in this.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link

modern is popular and not going anywhere. they took it off of the pro tour because it doesn't hype/advertise the current set in the same way as standard does. it will continue to be a GP and PTQ format.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link

craterhoof too, that card was quietly getting pretty pricey. can finally pick one up for my cube maybe.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link

don't forget Liliana!

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link

that's what LOTV is

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

oops missed that post

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

burning tree emissary at common, look out pauper

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link

also def makes me want to draft this set even more

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link

I don't think wizards will 'cash out of modern' but they're going to run out of exciting modern cards to reprint pretty soon. and by pretty soon I mean 'right now'. not really sure what their plan is for keeping these sets popular.

iatee, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

theres always more modern cards to reprint, next one will go thru khans block which has plenty of stuff to hit. and by then they can start hitting some of the ones from the first MM and they'll be exciting again.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link

like chalice of the void and engineered explosives could be pushing $80 if theyre not in this one

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link

just to demonstrate, there's still a shitload of relevant cards that haven't gotten a modern masters or other wide reprint, without even adding in Theros and Khans as the next MM will likely do. Obviously a few of these are likely to show up in this set but not all of them:

Ancestral Vision
Scapeshift
Mishra's Bauble
Time Warp
Inkmoth Nexus
Through the Breach
Goryo's Vengeance
Huntmaster of the Fells (& all other double faced cards, i suspect they're trying to wait until both innistrad blocks + origins are within the modern masters window before they do these?)
Tamiyo the Moon Sage
the 'filter lands'
the scars of mirrodin 'fastlands'
Ensnaring Bridge
Thrun, the Last Troll
Consecrated Sphinx
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Steel Overseer
Oracle of Mul Daya
Koth of the Hammer
Ajani Vengeant
Batterskull
Phyrexian Obliterator
the scars block swords
Platinum Emperion
Wurmcoil Engine
Threads of Disloyalty
Runed Halo
Glimpse the Unthinkable
etc

and theres way more if you include cards that are money cards via casual formats like Bloom Tender or Master Transmuter or whatever (though i could also see them hitting these in some sort of Commander Masters set during a MM offyear, with a multiplayer draft format and all). i think there's easily enough for 1-2 more modern masters sets before they have to start doing heavier recycling (by which point the earlier reprints will have been out of print for many years again anyway)

ciderpress, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link

tarmogoyf again, cavern of souls. the hits keep coming. blood moon yesterday too.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

yeah this is the strongest masters set for sure now

ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link

the only big holes at this point really are ancestral vision, noble hierarch (which was in the last one but still needs another printing pretty badly), and the janky artifacts that are worth a ton now like explosives and chalice

ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link

this is bonkers

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link

I've never felt any urge to buy a box of mtg packs, this is making me consider it

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link

with signets now on top of land based fixing cycles at common, uncommon and rare, it is going to be interesting to see if the synergies will be strong enough to prevent everyone going balls out 5 colour every time. suspect that the success as a limited format might hinge on that dynamic.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link

glad that signets are uncommon, they are stupid strong in draft

ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah different times etc but it is lunatic that they were common. also just weird inclusions for a supposedly 2 colour format.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link

even the mana myrs in scars of mirrodin were format warping in limited, a lot of the 2 and 3-drops in that set were garbage since your opponent was going like t2 gold myr t3 4-drop in such a large portion of games since they were 5 commons.

ciderpress, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link

one of the worst things abt the MM2015 limited format was the superiority of 5c decks. none of the 2c archetypes were all that developed w/ maybe the exception of affinity and it made drafts really same-y and tedious not to mention how shitty it made the sealed format. i generally dont like formats with heavy fixing and am worried this is going to be another rares + rocks format

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link

imo if you drafted any cards that weren't g/w/b you were doing mm2015 wrong. online either a convoke/tokens or spirits deck was wide open every time. my win% was through the roof on that format, 74% or something nuts.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link

i probably did less than 20 drafts in that format fwiw but i just remember feeling like it was very easy to slide into green-based ramp decks that splashed for all the good cards you cld get. and then having a really hard time drafting because there were no real signals or lanes, it was just 5+ ppl drafting the same basic deck

i did really like every other masters format limited (with VMA being my all time favorite draft format) so im hopeful for this one

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link

i do feel weird though because i have no connection to/interest in the secondary price of cards really since i either already own or have no interest in owning any of these cards

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link

damn this set really feels like it'll be the last MM, huh? nothing is being held back. (not actually saying this will be the last one.)

hadn't realized signets were moved to uncommon - a good move for limited I think

Vinnie, Friday, 3 March 2017 06:14 (seven years ago) link

full card gallery is up

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/modern-masters-2017-edition?true

lot of AVR cards in here, a bold attempt at rehabilitating some of the good bits of that set

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

though thunderous wrath at common is maybe a bit overeager

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

i think this does look like it'll be a 4/5c goodstuff format. there are some clear themes but they don't seem pushed, and there's so many powerful gold cards.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 3 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link

the UW blink theme seems well developed but the other pairs don't really come through as particularly strong to me just scanning the card list

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link

UB is supposed to be mystical teachings control apparently but there's no good instants to get with it. they chose grisly spectacle for the doom blade slot (??) and rewind is the only hard counterspell and a lot of the other good spells in UB are sorceries. theres basically no archetype payoff there

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link

there does seem to be a wide variety of strategies available in 3 color decks though, i assume that is intended as the default in this set.

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link

right, i noticed there is a lot of bleed off 2 colour themes that would encourage a 3rd colour. but even with the blink stuff, if you got say a strong themed bant deck together you are getting a couple 'free' 3/3s and occasionally bouncing things? at the minimum it's short like a mulldrifter at common or something. there's sort of go wide with some anthems but no overrun kind of haymakers that really push that, the sacrifice/regrowth stuff looks pretty sketchy and i don't know if something like blood artist would even make it enticing. seems to me, on first viewing anyway, that they're all at least a strong common short of being where i hoped they'd be.

anyway, that is a lot of complaining but in truth i am still extreme hype to actually play this thing. i really hope it comes together, so much goodness.

separate but related, this modern cube on mtgo seems like really weird timing. idk if it is supposed to whet the appetite for mm17 but i don't think the timing will be particularly beneficial to the success of either it or mm17.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 3 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link

yeah i just said the same thing elsewhere, it feels like they step on the toes of each other pretty badly

also i realized mystical teachings is probably pretty good if youre grixis and not just straight UB since red has 3 instant burn spells at common and theres also augur spree. its just weird for it to be so lightly supported on-color, compared to white where if you look at the commons almost every single one is in the service of either populate or blink.

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link

it feels like aether revolt has been out forever but its still got almost 2 months left. i'll probably draft both the modern cube and mm3 a bunch just because theyre new

ciderpress, Friday, 3 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link


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