having fun online http://imgur.com/a/7V0R0
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:14 (seven years ago) link
lost that deck to sideboard bug, disappointing. was fun while it lasted
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 04:19 (seven years ago) link
loool efficient construction is on my mental 'this persons a bye' list of cards
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:48 (seven years ago) link
it was actually pretty good but I needed more blockers and not aether swoopers to have time to set it up
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:58 (seven years ago) link
these decks are really good if you can get 2 Serpents. I've cast so many 2 mana 5/6s in this format. sadly I think the card moved way up in the pick order so good luck.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link
efficient construction has been good for me in grixis improvise decks. I don't take it highly cause they wheel, but it's def a card I'm happy to have as a one-of if my deck is 50% artifacts.
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
i'm getting kinda weary of improvise decks now but they always seem to be the only thing open, along with UW which i hate
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link
this limited format definitely inspires some crazy, LSV-style decks
I recently 3-0'd a deck with 2x Call for Unity, it was such a dumb deck but it wound up working, I'd win by swinging in with a bunch of 7/7 Servos or something crazy like that. Granted most games I won I was at like 3 or 4 life but still.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
UW is very much the open colour pair on mtgo right now, ppl are underdrafting both. in my last couple drafts i just leaned into it and got 3-0 both times with very similar decks - good fliers in combination with 3-power 2/3 drops and vehicles.
pvddr is the latest person i have seen saying that white is the weakest colour but more than half of my trophies have been with white decks, and although i haven't personally drafted it all that often, i do think WR is the strongest colour pair.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link
yeah i could be down with some traditional UW fliers decks, its the aegis automaton grindfest UW deck that turned me off of the color pair
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
the only improvise deck i want now is UR. if i have an opening 7 with say brawler and thopterist but no artifacts, it feels bad but i still have some % to win, whereas if my plan is to cast the 6s and 7s the range of unkeepable opening hands feels much broader.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:13 (seven years ago) link
I've seen the U/W gold uncommon wheel so yeah, definitely underdrafted. IDK if it's so much that white is weak as it is the deck is just boring in an interesting format.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
emergency 3xKTK flashback on mtgo! w00t
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:13 (seven years ago) link
lol is that compensation for them royally fucking up the old standard formats event?
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:14 (seven years ago) link
yep. i hope they sort that shit out because it sounds like a blast, but for now i'll take this.
this set if any ought to be a real gauge for how significant the effect of crosspod drafting is
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:17 (seven years ago) link
lost my first match to a naya deck
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
i have a love/hate relationship with khans where it's got some of my favorite individual cards and look&feel of the past 10 years but i've just never liked like the morph mechanic or formats where you have to draft mana fixing
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:47 (seven years ago) link
really bummed that the flashback standard gauntlet got taken down before i got to play any
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
several of the decks were completely nonfunctional, it'll be back once they fix the bugs
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
opponent conceded on this turn. closest i came :(
http://i.imgur.com/jE3v8Nx.jpg
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 February 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
lucky, making infinite cats on mtgo is a pain
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 24 February 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
Kari Zev has got to be the only 1/3 with First Strike
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link
hello http://magiccards.info/tp/en/199.html
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 05:28 (seven years ago) link
I'm sick of your fake news, cider. Kari Zev is the ONLY 1/3 with first strike
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
The only 1/3 with first strike and menace.
― AlanSmithee, Friday, 24 February 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
oh damn, forgot about that dude. even still that guy has firebreathing so it makes sense. I wonder how many first strikers there are with greater toughness than power that don't have some sort of power boosting ability.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
there's one other in AER
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
yea I mean, besides that one
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
prophetic flameseeker is a 1/3 with DOUBLE strike (thats two strikes!!)
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 24 February 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
theres a couple 1/3 first strike defenders too, one was in dragons of tarkir
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
cant believe i forgot about prophetic flamespeaker, thats an old pet card of mine that never took off
i try to constantly keep tabs on JOU cards since the supply of that set on modo is so tiny that if anything ever enters modern it will skyrocket in price (for example eidolon of the great revel is currently 27 online vs 6 irl). i have piles of all these dumb cards like sage of hours and eidolon of blossoms on my account just in case something new comes out that works with them
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
Double Strikers are different - stuff like the 2/4 First Strikers are just strange to me because the ability seems to be not relevant all that often. A lot of times they seem to be in common cycles where each creature has an ability and the white one always has to be first strike.
after some research here's what I've come up with
first off Cider's right, there are some 1/3 defenders with it, one was in Saga, another in DTKKhans had the Gurmag Swiftwing (1/2 First Strike, Haste, and Flying for 1B)Eventide had a hybrid 1/2 First Strike flyerShadowmoor has a 1/2 First Strike with witherKobold Overlord from Legends kinda counts, I guessMaster of Cruelties, from Rakdos. 1/4 with Deathtouch and First StrikeThere are quite a few 2/3s with First Strike, mostly white cards. White has a couple of 3/4s tooAncient Spider from Invasion is a 2/5 First Strike with Reach. So what, I guess it eats up all those 5/2s running around.
so, there's a few
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
first strike with 2 or more power makes double blocking harder so its not as weird on mid-sized creatures
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
also obviously wither/infect change the math
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
yeah it makes sense on those, plus stuff like the 2/3 from AER with the discard/draw when tapped ability
the 1/3 defenders are strange too. at least with Kari Zev it prevents you from double blocking with a 2/2 and a servo, the defender ones I can't figure out
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
its just so they can block all 2 power creatures, not too hard to figure out
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
great against ball lightning type cards that pop up fairly frequently
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link
also speaking of wither, apparently amonkhet is gonna be a -1/-1 counter block. wither and persist are both worthy mechanics to return, i wonder which of the 2 they'll go with.
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
ha! i read that the bunch of proliferate-like cards in AER were a vestige of that actually being a mechanic in the set, so that made me think -1s were coming up.
thought it might be a shard block but the presence of 5 gods plus bolas ruins the numbers for that, i think.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
the non-rares are probably pretty dependent on the context of their limited formats (e.g. toughness matters cards in KTK, bolster, the 1/2 was a limited payoff for that delve rare) and even the rares tend to be designed towards limited mechanics/environment
wld be very excited for persist to come back
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 24 February 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
-1/-1 counters? sounds like a funny way to wreck snake decks
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 24 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
the 1/2 was a limited payoff for that delve rare
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
then why give it first strike?
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
could perhaps be Infect as well?
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
xp so that it can stop bigger x/1s like conifer strider and atarka efreet
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
a lot of people hate infect, i don't expect it to come back without phyrexia
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
oooh yeah good call. I know this stuff is (now) somewhat deliberate. Reading a development article about how Merfolk of the Pearl Trident was added to a core set in order to combat Reckless Brute was pretty eye-opening.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
if they're doing snakes, definitely seems like infect would fit more than wither
Persist is the one I'm hoping for - it's the sort of mechanic that seems to be made for this era of Magic, since it gives you creatures to sac, can hit leaves play/enters play triggers and come-into-play effects, and the -1/-1 counter can be toyed with or trigger other things, I can see a mechanic like that sustaining a lot in a Limited environment. Obviously that all applies to Undying as well but I never liked that mechanic because it felt kinda broken to me.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
yeah a lot of the junk commons in modern sets are put there for specific sideboard reasons once they've run out of what they think that color's 'power budget' is
in your example merfolk of the pearl trident was also a throwback to alpha along with master of the pearl trident, since it and lord of atlantis were the only merfolk in alpha
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
infect is a little too dangerous
― iatee, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link