Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

PDP was running w the kind of schtick that has been South Park's bread and butter for decades. not just SP though, ironic racism is par for the course for edgy modern comedy, even progressive Colbert had his "ironic" asian/latin stereotypes as re-occurring gags. i think the joke is meant to be "We are so far past this stuff that it's absurdly beyond us (and kitschy) to indulge in archaic styles of exploitation". it is a form of privilege denial that makes one oblivious to the fact that they are just spreading more hate.

that's what made Colbert doing it so much more egregious than SP or someone like PDP imo, he should've known better

former GameGrumps member JonTron turns out to be a white supremacist and a racist. starts talking about the greatness of America's "founding stock" despite having Hungarian and Iranian parents. tries to make an argument against immigration but then goes into black crime rates.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352025

gaming so white it turns nonwhite people white

that's really fuckin sad

no idea who the guy is but when real life becomes Shock Corridor it's like damn

 i think the joke is meant to be "We are so far past this stuff that it's absurdly beyond us (and kitschy) to indulge in archaic styles of exploitation"

do you need to be a shithead to be a gaming youtuber or does being a gaming youtuber turn you into a shithead?

i see pewdiepie has been doubling down on the nazi 'joeks' again too:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/b4xsyutcda5niu4gk4pw.png

the subject of milo came up at work yesterday and i spent a while trying to explain to a colleague what gamergate was and how milo used it as a vehicle to gain further notoriety. unsurprisingly she was nonplussed by the whole sorry affair and i was deeply disappointed to discover just how much info about gamergate i had retained :(

I've retained too much weird conspiratorial shit. I was talking to a friend yesterday who explained a recent lunch she'd had with a retired ex-coworker. Apparently this woman launched into a series of conspiracies, one after the other, and completely believed it all -- billionaire/politician sex slave rings, local crime so bad she needed to carry a gun (she had a gun in her purse), and of course... chemtrails.

Where was this retired person getting her news, since she claimed the news media only reported lies? Youtube.

retired coworker otm

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

yeah if u ever scan t_d on reddit (pls don't do this) you'll usually find 2-3 links per fresh front page that are youtube clips. basically anyone can publish anything they want and as long as it's reinforcing the narrative somebody will believe it fully regardless of the absurdity of the claim. hell, kyrie irving believes the Earth is flat and he's frequently flying internationally and not falling off the edge of the world so idk what really is truth anyway

http://kotaku.com/scumbags-harass-woman-for-working-on-mass-effect-andro-1793410647

Jesus Christ

Starting with the transformation of a game’s sometimes silly character animations into a conspiracy, and then later a scandal in which the data points waver between incomplete and meaningless, the cycle isn’t new by this point.

http://kotaku.com/underwhelming-gay-romance-options-in-mass-effect-andro-1793677330

Since it was released, Andromeda has been criticized about how it handles gay romance options, particularly for male characters. On neoGAF, Reddit, unofficial BioWare forums, and on Twitter, there are hundreds of pages of complaints, with many people accusing BioWare of treating gay romance as an “afterthought.”

http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/20/15369210/palmer-luckey-trump-donation

sigh/lol

http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/20/15369210/palmer-luckey-trump-donation🔗

sigh/lol

aspies be aspin'

so that's allowed here?

imho no. please let's finish phasing out "aspie" on ILX.

For reals, thought that was over before I went away so I could have a comeback

all I really want to do is point at that post, point at the thread title, solemnly post "IRONY", then slowly fade into the background as the soundtrack crescendos with an ominous synth swell

you are of course all correct - apologies

(the interesting thing about all of this is an argument I'm half-remembering from years ago where a bunch of neurotypical people were arguing that "aspie" was offensive and several posters on the spectrum were arguing "no, actually we like that name" and I was too confused/bemused by the whole thing to comment/participate aside from deciding that if someone was going to get offended if I used that word, I was better off not using it)

appreciate it, bg. my big sister has asperger's so it's something that's come to strike a particular chord with me. not gonna put myself on a pedestal - it did not jump out to me in the years between when the word started circulating and when she found her diagnosis. a failure of my own empathic instincts and training for sure.

chicken/egg situation there, lacking empathy makes it difficult to understand why it's a bad term, and people who qualify under that same umbrella often lack empathy

been working to get it out of my vocab irl and online tbh
and yes, i'm a bit ocd/spectrum-y myself so mh otm

anyway, you guys are missing the big pull-quote there:

Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey donated $100,000 to President Trump’s inaugural celebrations through a shell company seemingly named after a time-traveling vehicle from role-playing game Chrono Trigger.

I don't think any of that is particularly surprising, tbh

SPINAL FUNCTION

it's surprising that it happened in actual reality

ZEAL PALACE CORP

not really, it's 2017 and these fuckers are seemingly everywhere. mostly because they're too vocal and the internet is omnipresent

Yeah, like I don't know how you can interact with gaming culture at large (or have followed the bitcoin saga, or watched any portion of the shenanigans that fuel Silicon Valley) and be surprised at this.

but then again I've also been saying that comments sections are a bellwether for the country at large for years now so maybe I've just jaded myself into expecting shit like this and every instance of it is confirmation bias

So, I read Lindy West's fantastic Shrill yesterday, and I strongly recommend it for any number of reasons. But I thought of this thread because she discusses at length the backlash to her taking the position that rape jokes are generally not funny, and that stand-up comedy's male protestations of free speech and "equal opportunity offender"-ism mask and trivialize real harm in precisely the way patriarchal culture at large wants to minimize and erase rape and the experience of survivors (thus, such jokes can't even claim to be transgressive or shocking, not that that would be an excuse anyway). This all went down in 2013, a year before Gamergate, and the tactics, tone and avenues of the harassment campaign are all identical. I wouldn't be the first to connect the two sagas, but it did help turn some light bulbs on for me - at several points upthread I was most interested, in terms of armchair internet discourse analysis, in parsing out how GamerGate might show a particular translation of general misogyny through the particular tropes and life experiences of gamernerds.

I still don't think that's a dead end insofar as it might help in developing strategies to interrupt and redirect gamernerd culture in the long run. West writes hopefully about how teenaged stand-up comedy nerds might just maybe think about this issue differently when from the minute they're getting interested in the form, their heroes are willing to come out and say that rape jokes arent' funny --- reminded me of my reflection somewhere upthread that the anonymous writers of Usenet group FAQs probably helped shape my 12- and 13-year-old sense of how you're supposed to behave in a community generally and to interact with people you can't see specifically. But, seeing obvious patterns that line up between Gamergate and non-gamernerd developments otherwise identical in substances does make me think that the more useful common denominator is the language, behavior and values inculcated in white male culture generally and white male internet culture specifically. Again not a staggering revelation but put another way, I think the thread title question isn't wrong in its assumptions, but may be giving other forms of media a little too much credit.

A review of Angela Nagle's new book about alt right gamergator schmucks

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/kill-all-normies-the-alt-right-s-new-turn-1.3104338

good read - need to pick up a copy of her book

No thanks I'm good. https://t.co/91yChTVLDs

— namechanging cunt (@UnburntWitch) June 12, 2017

Notch acting like a stand-up guy as ever.

I am truth and freedom, you are a witless pawn of evil. https://t.co/xgW8VV5lJC

— Notch (@notch) June 12, 2017

lonely shut-in + misogyny + social media + billions of dollars = disaster

nationalise the videogames industry imo, all that money is not good for the people who are good at making games

Yeah, this weekend is a great time for these fucks to show up again

if people come at you for these not being "recent" enough: pic.twitter.com/2CkHlzy8Z2

— celene 🌙 (@ombrophilia) June 12, 2017

Entered the fray and one of these Notch-saving dickheels quoted Latin at me and then accused me of ad hominem because I said they were pathetic, and that his sympathy for Quinn ended when she "monetised" her abuse.

The only comfort is they will never multiply. The genepool ends here.

lol @ "monetised her abuse", like that 1. isn't total horseshit as a concept and 2. would even be a problem otherwise. the biggest mystery to me is the mindset of these ppl whose constant resort to bullshit and desperate stuff like this doesn't weaken their faith in the cause

the bullshit IS the cause, why would it weaken anything?

they are feebs. that is why their faith isn't weakened. they are literal wastemen.

they are genuinely stupid people who think they are clever because they are good at videogames and because they are unpopular in the real world.

are you...ilx subtweeting me?

haha no!

it is possible to be all those things and not be an asshole imo

that's unfair, there are plenty of popular, successful people having children who are horrible people