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thief is decent but in the end I decided to cut the least synergistic card. I think playing solvent was correct too, once the deck went off with card advantage into card advantage you actually could hit 7 mana pretty easily, despite playing 15 lands.

and yeah invigorated rampage doesn't really do what you want combat tricks to do since it doesn't give first strike or boost toughness. so instead it's effectively a lava axe that allows you to get 2 for 1'd. I don't think I would be happy playing it in very many decks.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2017 07:06 (seven years ago) link

I took one of them over Precise Strike, and I would have preferred Precise Strike every time

Vinnie, Monday, 13 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

eh I think certain decks that want to alpha strike kinda like it, plus it's good with the Double Striker. but yeah R/W is really the only archetype that even remotely wants it

I keep drafting G/W/B revolt since it seems to be open a lot, you get some bombs early on then stock your deck with fixing/Revolt enablers. Had an interesting deck with Aid from the Cowl and Hidden Stockpile that would take a beating early but then stabilize and generate a bunch of incremental advantage. It wound up 3-0'ing but I still don't know if it's any good. I've mentioned it before but these matches definitely feel like Cube, you have to make a lot of decisions and be aware of what's in your deck, plus you have to pull games out of your ass a lot. But it's challenging in a way that Limited rarely is.

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

yeah this is my favorite limited format in a long time, probably for reasons similar to what you're saying. the powerful decks are very very powerful, doing things more comparable to a modern masters draft or cube. t1 renegade map enables a ton of different broken starts.

hidden stockpile is my favorite card. nonstop scrying and token making gives you the ability to both take over a game early or play a control game for inevitability.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

love the stockpile. BW still my most successful color pair, 3 trophies i believe, and i didn't even 3-0 my double stockpile deck, somehow. having 2 out at the same time, let me tell you. it's like having a bad assemble the legion but 1000% times more satisfying.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

from what i can tell i think overall ppl preferred 3xKLD to this format, but yet again i am enjoying the full block format more in the 2 set block world. i think the 3x formats are much tidier and more streamlined and i think i like the comparative messiness of the 2x1x formats. that's not exactly it maybe but that's about as well as i can describe it.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link

Turn 2 crack a Map and play Stockpile is definitely my favorite early play in this format

I've actually never done straight BW but I'm sure I'll get into it sometime. I guess with Renegade Map and Unbridled Growth, playing 3 color is a breeze so I often just do that. That said Black revolt stuff never seems to be open when I draft, all I usually get is the Fen Hauler deck

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link

i think 3x draft formats have to be really tightly woven to not just turn into a bunch of people on different rails chasing different subsets of cards. even the most heralded ones have some degree of this. KLD was actually on the low side but it was also a bit bland for other reasons

ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link

knowing the uncommon runs has been really helpful in leagues, thanks cider

man i hated kld or at least never really figured it out. i did like 150 drafts on mtgo and went 3-0 in less than 20 of them. ive been doing much better in aer/aer/kld across a small number of drafts but i also dont really have a strong grasp on the format. large creatures seem good, so do fliers. i lose to rares a lot. idk

( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 13 February 2017 21:37 (seven years ago) link

man 150 drafts is so much...i havent even done 50 in a format since Theros

i did well in KLD over like 30 drafts, most of my winning decks involved Aether Theorist. haven't actually drafted this format much yet but i do like it better

ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link

I mostly did sealed with KLD b/c it was pretty easy to stockpile player points that way. Packs got to 2.4 which meant you could do a sealed event for ~19 tix. I was not very good at drafting it - I found it was pretty easy to lead yourself into a dead end

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/S12bFfs.jpg

another 'help me build this'

should I play wind drake / turtle / die young? what do we think of the mana?

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:44 (seven years ago) link

I could cut almost all the black except cruel ults and play like 2 swamp for turtle/drake/blue automaton/fireforger's

not sure I'd be missing that much if I do that and I'd have better mana

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:51 (seven years ago) link

i would 100% cut the rest of the black, none of it is good enough here to junk your mana over. i'd go up a land too. if you do add an artifact, with 4 black sources i would play black implement over the red puzzleknot, it is so much better maindeck.

love that you have gone in on the dark intimations again. i've yet to see one cast.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:03 (seven years ago) link

scratch the land add, i miscounted initially and meant to delete that

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link

yeah you got double blue and double red. if it were me though I'd still play the Sly Requisitioner. might sneak the Red Puzzleknot in too, I feel like AER has a decent amount of targets for that

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:10 (seven years ago) link

yeah I like that suggestion roberto, I have a decent amount of card draw to hit those 4 sources and even if I don't it still does something as an artifact in play.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link

as a big fan of sly requisitioner in the right deck, imo it is not doing enough to be included here.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah this isn't much of a tokens deck and only barely has enough enablers

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link

went 1-2 with that :( had pretty poor draws, the only time I saw a chandra's revolution (for a walking ballista) it was negated

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:23 (seven years ago) link

right which is why I say "if it were me" - have a hard time shying away from cards like that even if they're wrong to play :)

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:42 (seven years ago) link

how did the mini-Ultimatums work, by the way? I like the card but it's a bit...underwhelming?

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:47 (seven years ago) link

I'm also curious to see how well those play. Sac a creature seems pretty bad in this format, but Raise Dead + draw + discard all seems good

Vinnie, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:17 (seven years ago) link

I've played with them a bunch now. they are good but you can't expect it to get you out of a bad situation if you're super far behind. in a fair board state you're going to go to massively ahead and probably win. the sac effect the least reliable for sure because you're probably playing some blue aura removal and everyone has servos, but when it's good it's also the strongest effect. g1 vs me a guy cast a peema outrider and made it a 4/4 to outclass my 3/3 - if he knew I was playing the ult, he woulda made the servo and the game wouldn't have effectively ended that turn.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:26 (seven years ago) link

that was in retrospect a reason to be playing the puzzleknot main and I brought it in a lot

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:27 (seven years ago) link

well this is the most broken start I've gotten off to in this format

http://i.imgur.com/NlqjXy3.jpg

frogbs, Thursday, 16 February 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link

ha nice

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:20 (seven years ago) link

what do you guys think of the eldrazi tron deck in modern? I feel kinda set on playing lantern this weekend, but that deck has been doing pretty well

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link

i don't think any one deck should be a factor in what you play in modern

are you playing the GP?

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link

i dont think i would play lantern at a team event but have actively avoided playing modern for almost a year now and dont have particularly good opinions abt it

i think e_tron is probably good in so much as chalice of the void is really good rn but again see above

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

oh right this is the scg event

i still endorse through the breach valakut for modern. its braindead easy to play and has good matchups across the board

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link

no I wasn't thinking lantern is bad because of e tron, it's prob pretty decent. lantern was one of the few decks that was still playable in eldrazi winter. was wondering if I should audible.

one of my teammates is pretty anti-valakut deck and another doesn't like the last minute audible idea so I think I'm priced into lantern.

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah lantern sounds fine if you have recent practice w/ it

ciderpress, Friday, 17 February 2017 02:03 (seven years ago) link

frogbs: that reminds me of the time the owner of my LGS thought it would be fun to play his Vintage deck against my Onslaught draft deck

Vinnie, Friday, 17 February 2017 05:10 (seven years ago) link

modern seems like its pretty cheap online right now other than a few specific cards, with a new modern masters coming in a few weeks. i'm kinda tempted to start building out a collection rather than just maintaining one deck

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link

the price of modern cards has decreased significantly over the last two years (i think? i havent actually measured this, just anecdotally) which is kinda interesting. it feels like modern is significantly less popular on mtgo than it used to be

i have been spending several hours a day playing standard over the last few weeks and i honestly think its pretty fun

( ^_^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:11 (seven years ago) link

What are you playing in standard?

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link

standard is better than the last 2 seasons but still below average for the format i think

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link

I felt like Kaladesh had greater diversity of decks, but I'm making peace with Mardu Vehicles

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:27 (seven years ago) link

Of course, part of that diversity came from a huge pool of new cards and mechanics that took longer to solve

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link

ive been trying a bunch of stuff but mostly mardu and g/b energy aggro. a friend had a bant marvel deck that had an insane g/b match-up but was ultimately too inconsistent/bad against mardu. i also played a couple leagues with shouta's RUG tower deck but thought it was p underwhelming

i really liked vehicles but it can be an frustrating deck to play with

( ^_^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link

lantern ended up being...idk, something between a bad choice and 'I got unlucky'. we went 5-3-1. fact that lantern won a gp (with a list very similar to what I ran) suggests it wasn't the worst meta call in the world, but I just didn't hit my bridges and had too many 0 land hands. I'm playing in my store's invitational this sunday and prob just gonna bring dredge.

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link

i still like BR aggro in standard, feels like it has more balanced matchups than mardu at a time when walking ballista is freaking everywhere (even mardu ppl are playing it now as a mirror breaker, yuck)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 23:19 (seven years ago) link

having fun online http://imgur.com/a/7V0R0

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:14 (seven years ago) link

lost that deck to sideboard bug, disappointing. was fun while it lasted

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 04:19 (seven years ago) link

loool efficient construction is on my mental 'this persons a bye' list of cards

( ^_^) (Lamp), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:48 (seven years ago) link

it was actually pretty good but I needed more blockers and not aether swoopers to have time to set it up

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:58 (seven years ago) link

these decks are really good if you can get 2 Serpents. I've cast so many 2 mana 5/6s in this format. sadly I think the card moved way up in the pick order so good luck.

frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link

efficient construction has been good for me in grixis improvise decks. I don't take it highly cause they wheel, but it's def a card I'm happy to have as a one-of if my deck is 50% artifacts.

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link

i'm getting kinda weary of improvise decks now but they always seem to be the only thing open, along with UW which i hate

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link


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