2008 Primaries Thread

when will results start coming in?

the guy responsible for hillary's unlistenable quiet voice - http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/04/the-battle-for-harlem-hea_n_84857.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/04/AR2008020402700_pf.html

The next round of primaries and caucuses this month tends to look better for him than for Clinton. Her strategists are pessimistic about her chances in Washington, Louisiana, Wisconsin and Maryland, as well as in the District. But they see Ohio and Texas on March 4 as critical states in which she has a foundation of support and could add to her delegate strength.

http://www.slate.com/id/2183594/

http://thepage.time.com/2008/02/05/times-for-super-tuesday/

so, like, any idea when results will start coming in?

That Obama video (the one with people singing over his speech) is EMBARRASSING. The Obama campaign actually forwarded it to me. They need to stop with that.

hurting i've been trying to identify precisely why that ad it so awful and coming up short.. something about doing a hagiography of a one-term senator, the black-and-white, grainy film quality; it feels like fake history. its wackness runs even deeper than that, though

That's a good start.

It also seems to appeal to some kind of imaginary demographic in a 90s MTV News sort of way.

NINE MONTHS TO GO, people.

I've never wanted an overseas sabbatical so badly.

Cockburn on Rezko's link to a shady Ba'athist millionaire.

Fake history is the only kind we can bear to look at anymore.

Who's the buzzcut playing the guitar?

that video is embarrassing cos they tried to turn a damn speech into a damn song, which is just corny as balls

also

But they see Ohio and Texas on March 4 as critical states in which she has a foundation of support and could add to her delegate strength.

she is absolutely shitting herself if she thinks Texas is going her way.

hurting i've been trying to identify precisely why that ad it so awful and coming up shor

because everyone in it sucks? ok maybe not kate walsh.

also Common is in it, which is pretty much an automatic sign of suckage

i think the video appeals to a real demographic

c'mon, kareem is awes, and i have vague positive feelings towards common

the obama campaign only put the music video up on their website after someone clued them in that it was getting millions of views -- they didn't produce it but they were more than happy to leverage its popularity. and hey, it's not quite good but it's sincere, right? :P

and on a similar note, dave matthews has endorsed obama.

it's a good thing politically. it sucks artistically.

i think the video appeals to a real demographic

Campus Democrats

and hey, it's not quite good but it's sincere, right?

Much like Obama?

this is the first time wonkette has made me laugh all campaign season:

CANDY CROWLEY MADE A FUNNY: Wonkette operative Robert Platt informs us that CNN’s Candy Crowley says Obama’s mission is to “suck off enough delegates.” A grueling end to a grueling campaign season, indeed.

i doubt the audience for this is exclusively youthful

Hey Ed, about Democrats Abroad...do you know why do they have polls open from February 5 to 12? You don't get counted for your state anyway, right, so why not just do it on one day? (Also, I don't understand why the e-mail I got about it said it starts "February 5 +13 GMT." +13 GMT?)

If I didn't have shit to do today I'd be sitting in a bar reading All the King's Men.

DUDE, WHERE'S MY PARTY? OH, YEAH, I ASKED MYSELF THIS OVER A YEAR AGO WHEN I FINALLY DECIDED TO SWITCH TO THE CONSTITUTION PARTY. GUYS LIKE MC CAIN AND DOLE WERE KEY TO THIS DECISION. IF REPUBLICANS NOMINATE MC CAIN, THEY ARE PUNTING.
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COMPROMISE IS FOR WHORES.

I WILL NOT VOTE IF OBAMA GETS NOMINATED. HOW CAN AMERICA PUT AN INEXPERIENCE CANIDATE TO RUN THE COUNTRY? HE SEEMS LIKE A NICE GUY BUT I DON’T HAVE CONFIDENT THAT HE CAN RUN THE COUNTRY. HE WILL BECOME THE PUPPETS OF KENNEDY!

Comment by I DON'T BELIEVE - February 4, 2008 at 9:23 pm

so, like, any idea when results will start coming in?

Pretty late, I would say. Not sure about other states, but in NY the polls are open until 9 p.m. I guess they'll have a lot of early East Coast numbers right after 9 but it probably depends on how close the races are.

+13 GMT is the last possible time it is Feb 5th anywhere, not sure about that. Dems abroad have their own delegates to the convention (for the first time this year, they had non-voting ones last time). Not sure on the 5-12th thing, maybe that is for postal or email votes rather than in person events. Doesn't seem to be one for Dublin.

I think GA is first candidate for results, polls close at 7pm there, I think.

Alex Cockburn has suggested that the GOP won't mind at all if Billary gets to preside over "losing Iraq," recession, etc. hence the shrugging over McCain.

Alabama & Georgia close at 7 ET, a slew at 8 (NJ, CT, Illinois, Mass, Missouri, Tenn etc).

the GOP won't mind at all if Billary gets to preside over "losing Iraq," recession, etc. hence the shrugging over McCain.

That might be true, but it's a foolhardy strategy given an unpredictable future. Next pres has some tough shit to deal with, no doubt, but who knows what opportunities he/she will have to look like a great American hero.

so did I hear -- on the BBC? -- that the Obama camp is hoping the day's results bring them no less than 100 delegates fewer than Clinton?

Makes sense. Given HRC's institutional advantages and Obama's frantic race to introduce himself to voters in all these Super Tuesday states, they think a 60/40 split today (favoring HRC) is a win for them. Plus, it keeps their narrative going that Obama's gaining momentum, setting him up for bigger things in the March primaries.

zogby/reuters have obama running with CA at 49%, which is probably BS, but still. i hope polls like this don't have the opposite effect: leading people to stay home because they think he's already won.

my wife said that video was so bad it made her almost want to NOT vote for Obama. I was like, "well it's not like HE made it". Fucking Black Eyed Peas. The best part of that video is seeing Matthew Fox strumming his guitar horribly. Oh for Andy Samberg to parody this; curse you, strike!

I e-mailed "Michelle Obama" and told "her" that I thought the video was a liability.

I'm glad they have voting delegates this time, it'd be just too depressing if they didn't! (I changed residence too recently to get absentee ballot in time.) And there is one for Dublin actually, it's at a pub near where I catch the bus. I voted online but I might drop by after work and see if they need any volunteers later.

A friend of mine who's a big Obama supporter sent me a link to that video, and given the comments here, I'm glad I didn't click the link....

Fucking Black Eyed Peas. The best part of that video is seeing Matthew Fox strumming his guitar horribly.

Suddenly I am so so glad I have not watched this video.

I don't see videos, so instead I read articles about Obama playing footsie with the nuke industry and being in General Dynamics' pocket to make me almost not vote for him.

I e-mailed "Michelle Obama" and told "her" that I thought the video was a liability.

Oh come on, we're in the minority here. I don't know if you've heard, but the Black Eyed Peas have sold something like 20 million albums.

14-year-olds don't vote, Jaymc

Where is the love?

http://www.drudgereport.com/hrce.jpg

Oh, Drudge...

un_chien_andalou.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp2-5-07a.jpg

^^this picture makes mccain look like he just stepped out of a wheelchair for the first time in years, and the crowds are helping him walk

LOL

Obama must've laid hands on him!

no no he rubbed Obama's head.