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"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"

Best album title ever too!!!

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?

Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.

Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

nice

czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...

must investigate further!

also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2008

fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/inca_ore___grouper/split/

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'

Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

this album ! :-O

really really good.

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.

Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.

fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

Deeply amused by "fart alert"

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:

The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

...but you write for tinymixtapes.com

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

ugh.

original bgm, Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

...but you write for tinymixtapes.com

Really? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...

suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with tinymixtapes.com.

That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's kinda weird with reviews like that where you can't tell if the reviewer is trying to be funny... or if they're just trying to come up with the most awe-inspiring humorless zings to satisfy their explosive rage at the act in question.

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 19:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't really mind Enya as a reference (Enya is pretty awesome imo tho) and I have been digging pretty heavily on Dead Deer for the last couple weeks.

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters is the kind of stuff my friends say about the downtempo balearic cheeze i listen to. it kind of goes hand in hand with "elevator music for grad students", a term which used to bug me but i think i'm ok with it know

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason.

Ah, makes sense now. I laughed out loud. Nice one.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

WAY THEIR CREPT and DRAGGING A DEAD DEER are two of my favorite records right now. Is there any other stuff out there like this? Melodic, atmospheric, experimental, droning, and emotional?

dreamsonvhs, Friday, 12 June 2009 23:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

this album is kinda staggered by the one two punch of heavy water and stuck

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

dead deer obv

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

I really wish we could edit the title of this thread!

PIN number at the ATM Machine (Z S), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 22:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Video for HOLD THE WAY

http://www.thefader.com/2009/10/07/video-grouper-hold-the-way/

dreamsonvhs, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Should have mentioned I saw her last month as the final act of the On Land festival. Entrancing, mesmerizing, etc -- if a band like School of Seven Bells is (mostly) about shoegaze as propulsion and pop, Grouper is (mostly) about it as immersion and flow.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Gooooorgeous live set over at the free music archive http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/WFMU/blog/ATP-NY_2009_Grouper_MP3 From ATP last month ...

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

saw her columbia university when she was in NY for ATP. was great. loved the swirls of white noise running through the whole set.

original bgm, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I'm pretty sure I'm going to splash out and see her on Sunday, based on these last few comments. Anybody disagree with the decision?

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 30 October 2009 00:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Glasgow then? See you there!

krakow, Friday, 30 October 2009 09:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Didn't know there were UK/Euro dates! Would love to see her live. Don't think I can make any of them, sadly, but I'll have to think about it.

I have fallen in love with (mp3s of) her tour split 7" from last year with City Center and it's totally out of print, alas. Anyone know if there is a tour release this time round, so I can act more promptly?

ein fisch schwimmt im wasser · fisch im wasser durstig (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 30 October 2009 12:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Are the new myspace tracks "Hold The Way" and "Vessel" available to download anywhere?

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

(just noticed Vessel EP coming out in Late 2009)

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

she had this 7" when I saw her but not the city center split:

http://www.discogs.com/Grouper-He-Knows-He-Knows-He-Knows/release/1771400

original bgm, Friday, 30 October 2009 13:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

as a 7"? I bought that from her as a 3" CD.

sleeve, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

yep, as a 7"

original bgm, Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Went to see her play on Friday night. It was pleasant if unremarkable, she only played for 40 minutes too.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't get that complaint. Forty minutes is a perfectly reasonable amount of time for a set, imo.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

if you only have 1 album and only charge a fiver then maybe

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't really a complaint, more of an observation. It was actually a double headline show with some noise dude, tickets were 12.50. It was BYOB though so worked out cheap enough.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

this is so great
the grouperness of it is so satisfying, & then there's this whole other dimension to the really pop pop songs
like allison is like early best coast
i remember reading grouper & tiny vipers talking about the mirroring record & how they spent forever choosing song titles
& this is in that same lyrical zone sometimes
like i am walking around thinking city breathing

crime breeze (schlump), Monday, 7 September 2015 01:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

i still haven't heard it! i got a download link via twitter dm but couldn't get it to work without malware. i'm going to go old school and buy a physical copy though, so it will work out. can't wait.

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 03:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

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1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 04:25 (8 months ago) Permalink

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 04:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

guh <3

instrumentally 'covered in shade' sorta sounds like early clean. so good.

the galaxie 500/new order higher register bass thing is happening throughout the record. the two songs from the 2013 single (felt this way and dying all the time) still rule just as hard. i don't know how many people heard it so they'll probably still be new to most. 'dying all the time' appears in remixed form and is even more woozier and fuzzier than the original version. a keyboard is added to the mix, and the guitar is moved to a more abstract siderole. i loved the 2013 song with a burning passion so to hear a new version of it that is somehow even better is a blessing. #blessthismess 'violet' is another standout.myeah, the vocals are reverbed out. i like reverb, so cool with me. but if you're not a fan of it you should probably listen to real life instead, particularly in soundproofed small-medium sized rooms.

1995 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 7 September 2015 05:08 (8 months ago) Permalink

Grace is fucking great, keep replaying that one

flappy bird, Monday, 7 September 2015 22:19 (8 months ago) Permalink

the bass is the best part of this lp

flappy bird, Monday, 7 September 2015 22:19 (8 months ago) Permalink

Loving Ruins tonight. Its so great. Everything she does is gold.

kraudive, Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

someone asked me if helen would tour. i laughed and then became very sad

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

"Allison" and "Violet" FTW

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 01:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

Why wouldn't they tour? Seem to be getting some heat on this LP, hell even Eternal Tapestry gets to Europe every couple years.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 07:38 (8 months ago) Permalink

pretty sure that liz harris hates touring, she hasn't done it since 2009. she does a run of gigs here and there, but never more than half a dozen at a time.

flappy bird, Friday, 25 September 2015 17:48 (7 months ago) Permalink

really like the HELEN album but listening to "wind return" right now thinking she could make 1000 more songs like this and i'd be happy

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

i dunno if/how she'll ever top 'Alien Observer'... every second of that record is perfect... honestly makes me cry just thinking about it

flappy bird, Friday, 25 September 2015 18:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

I've seen her live like...seven, eight times? She seemed to play New York a ton and I've seen her twice in the bay area now, only been here about a year. Not sure if Helen live at Budoakan is imminent but an east coast run, a west coast run, why not? Some other thing she's doing: http://hollywoodforever.ticketfly.com/event/964063-bug-earth-liz-harris-los-angeles/

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 03:48 (7 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

fao karl malone
http://momaps1.org/sundaysessions/grouper-and-william-basinski-live/

i saw her do hypnosis display a couple months back but this mentions an entirely new set of material

bloat laureate (schlump), Saturday, 12 March 2016 10:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

i forgot to reply to that, schlump, but i went! and it was great! first time seeing grouper, and basinksi was amazing as well, although his set hewed a lot closer to the recorded material (cascade, and he also did one of the disintegration loops as an encore)

the whole thing is looping here: https://boilerroom.tv/session/grouper-william-basinski-live-at-moma-ps1/
(looping meaning you can't skip forward or backward in the set)

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

i saw basinski a little while ago in london - he was great, and his fashion was extremely bold.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 21 March 2016 15:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

as for grouper, she played for about an hour, and although there wasn't any silence at any point (iirc) there were definitely 3 main arcs to it. i thought i heard elements of her released music in there, but a lot of it seemed new as well, and of course there were improvised live vocals and keyboards over the top.

it was an interesting space as well, the geodesic dome in the courtyard. i didn't think it could hold so many people, but it did. everyone just kind of naturally found their spot and sat down on the carpet upon entry, but just before grouper played the organizers told everyone to stand up, but also that they could sit down later if they wanted to. i think the reasoning behind this was to have everyone stand and move in closer to take up less space so everyone could get inside, but it confused some people into thinking they weren't allowed to sit. despite this, a movement to sit down started spreading through the crowd, beginning at the left edge and creeping toward the middle-back like a welcome contagious disease. unfortunately it didn't hit our section until just before she finished playing. then she finished, and everyone stood up again. then during the wait between sets, everyone sat down again. as soon as basinski walked on stage, all the people on the front row immediately stood up (????) but then a courageous sitter in the back yelled 'HEY! SIT DOWN! EVERYBODY SIT DOWN!' whoever that person wins the Pontiac Real Driving Excitement Attendee of the Show award, because then everyone sat down for the rest of the show and it was just blissful.

^the most detailed recounting of the sitting down and standing up at the grouper/william basinski show on the entire internet^

bonus highlight: during basinksi's set, the guy next to me was snoring incredibly loudly and rhythmically, once every 4 or 5 seconds. as 'Cascade' continued its long fade and got more and more quiet, his snores became more audible to everyone in the area. The piece concluded and there was complete silence (it was a great crowd tbh, very respectful) and then ---**SNSNOOOOOORRREEEEEGGGhhhhhghhhHHhh___ghhhhhhhhhh---. it was really, really funny. a great juxtaposition of the beauty of basinski's music along with its practical effects

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:53 (2 months ago) Permalink

I really wish I could have made it to that!!

Evan, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

photo from last spring's marfa myths show:

http://i.imgur.com/UzwQinS.png

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

nice!

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

that marfa myths set was one of the more devastating live shows i'd seen in a while

pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

rad pic f. hazel
+ so cool to read about + then hear this karl malone. & yeah she plays some older things with new things, alien observer & some piano from ruins on top of a new thing, i guess it was that it is a new set not a set exclusively consistent of new songs. i am so hyped that there will maybe be more grouper. it is sorta just so intriguing that she moved into such heavy territory w/ a i a & we haven't really heard where that goes next.

bloat laureate (schlump), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 02:49 (2 months ago) Permalink


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