ah but it is
― the late great, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:59 (seven years ago) link
"you're not appreciating this music correctly!"
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:02 (seven years ago) link
also lol wtf @ "tarnished by sampling"
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:13 (seven years ago) link
late great i don't want to put words in your mouth but it certainly looks like you've devoted the last half hour straight to being mad at austin's post
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:16 (seven years ago) link
well it was a pretty shitty post
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:17 (seven years ago) link
Someone disrespected hip-hop on ILM. THIS SHALL NOT STAND.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:18 (seven years ago) link
ur borderline racist views on hip hop are well documented sir
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
adjectives are for cowards, just go right out and call him a racist
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
nah
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:26 (seven years ago) link
ok. are we done disgracing the memory of the late david axelrod yet?
i really liked the song "the truth" by pride which is also, as happens half the time i hear a cool song, on caribou's 1000 song playlist. not typical axelrod, but a good song.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:28 (seven years ago) link
that was thirteen years ago anyway
― the late great, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:29 (seven years ago) link
oh, jeez, another one of _those_ things. i can't even remember the names of the drugs i was addicted to thirteen years ago! how the hell do you remember this shit?
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:34 (seven years ago) link
A few things. . .
I didn't think I would have to explain further about preferring songs that were "untarnished by sampling", but. . . well, I actually don't have to because, in my initial post, I said:
the entire package was so much better than any loop or drum break could have ever indicated.
Also, there is nothing to indicate I'm forcing any style of appreciation on anyone. I simply said I take issue with it. Of course I would love if people hear 'The Edge' and then go seek out more and end up getting freaked out and blown away by Earth Rot. But the whole narrative of "he is one of the foundations of hip hop" really does a lot to devalue how innovative his music was long before hip hop even became a possibility.
The Pride album is actually a lot more status-quo Axelrod than it first appears: all of the songs are originals and Carol Kaye, Earl Palmer and Don Randi are all in the band for the duration. It's one of his most introspective works and, on some days, I'd say it's my favorite.
And, finally, for anyone interested in some really long reads, several years ago on my blog I did some very in-depth write-ups on his first four albums:Song(s) of InnocenceSongs of ExperienceEarth RotDavid Axelrod's Rock Interpretation of Handel's Messiah
I had originally intended to work through his entire catalogue in such fashion, but it became a little too taxing on me, as my marriage and my drinking were simultaneously permuting into chaos. I do have some rough drafts still saved for a few of the follow ups. Maybe I'll revisit the idea. . .
― Austin, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
Axelrod's music was around long before hip hop and I daresay it will endure long past its relevance.
uhhh. cmon. late great otm.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 06:11 (seven years ago) link
RIP btw.
Seriously Deep is one of my favorite headphone albums.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 06:16 (seven years ago) link
i didn't discover axelrod cos of hip hop but via an NME associated cassette, 'Whats Happening $tateside' that came out in '86, however, i would suggest that i was then able to buy all the cd reissues cos of hip hop.very much doubt his catalogue would have been picked up and dusted down by $tateside etc if it weren't for the renewed interest.
and yeah, 'seriously' deep is a gorgeous listen, but the same could be said for all of his solo albums (apart from requiem : holocaust .. )
― mark e, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:50 (seven years ago) link
Austin otm, although I think the idea of hip-hop as something that's going to fade in the long run is pretty reductive. It should be relatively uncontroversial to say that Axelrod's music has a distinct, inherent value of its own and that there's no reason not to prefer it to the musicians who sampled him or to want to remember him entirely outside of that context.
― how's life, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
agree w all that
― Spottie, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
putting down hip-hop to build up axelrod is bullshit and to the extent austin did that i disagree, but also axelrod does not = hip-hop.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
Sorry. I managed to make it worse, somehow.
― Austin, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
. My point is: the source material is pretty dynamic to yield such varying results. And I think that's wholly impressive.
I've always taken this (wrt Axelrod's music or any other that's been sampled to produce wide variety of results) as a credit to those sampling producers foremost.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
I can't even wrap my head around that. Agree to disagree.
― Austin, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
all that aside .. personally, i would just love a proper anthology/boxset of the non-album/non-solo material.all the odds and sods that he produced that were only released on 7" singles here and there.suspect there is so much more that has not had the reissue treatment.of course this would probably be a logistical nightmare re licences/masters etc, but still, we can but hope.if not that, then how about a proper reissue of 'the auction' ?that would definitely keep me happy for a while.
― mark e, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link
You can't agree to disagree if you can't even wrap your head around it! I can understand not agreeing with the notion, but cmon man it's not some cryptowacko stance that just can't be grasped. Sample-based productions can reflect the talent and skill of the producer. The sample can be totally transformed, re-contextualized, etc. This is just basic shit. I have to assume you're just prejudiced against sampling as art.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:24 (seven years ago) link
why would you assume that all he said was that it sampling tarnishes the original work
― the late great, Thursday, 9 February 2017 00:18 (seven years ago) link
whoops stray "it"
there is nothing to indicate I'm forcing any style of appreciation on anyone
doesn't square with
This is such a misguided and disappointing way for him to be remembered
― the late great, Thursday, 9 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
journalists writing glowing obits about the death of a fairly esoteric musician making the fact that he was often sampled in hip hop - popular music that their readers are likely to have heard - a prominent feature of said obits
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
are 'critics'/people really calling david axelrod a foundation of hip hop or whatever, because that's hella stupid
― a but (brimstead), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:35 (seven years ago) link
has anybody ever sampled pink floyd's "atom heart mother", it has funky drums and an orchestra iirc
― a but (brimstead), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:36 (seven years ago) link
no and no
― the late great, Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:38 (seven years ago) link
the 66-70 Capitol comp is one of my most treasured records. the david mccallum cuts are so majestic.
― a but (brimstead), Thursday, 9 February 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link
the rappcats remembrance is really good
http://www.rappcats.com/axelrod/
had no idea about this little number at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu0jibUVvEM
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link