ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
jimmy ripp has basically said it's done except for the vocals
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
verlaine is such an odd case -- i wonder if he'll ever write a memoir of any kind.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
― tylerw
don't they just do "persia" for 20 minutes at every show?
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
yeah that might be the only new thing they do these days. in the early 00s, there were a bunch of things (handily compiled here): http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
I wish tom v would write a memoir... as i've made clear i am a bit obsessed with him. There's no way he's ever gonna do it though. He never will, because we want him to. He can barely stand to be interviewed, even.
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's unlikely, though I think someone asked him about it (maybe after the Richard Hell book came out?) and he said he was thinking about it.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
he likes to think about doing things, does our tom
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
haha yeah, i just wonder if he saw patti's book getting on the bestseller lists and thought "hey, i could do that!" probably just a matter of some publisher making a big enough offer ... which is probably not going to happen.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
Looks like the 2003 expanded remaster of Adventure is OOP, is the MM from the same edition.Shame would hope they'd try to keep both in print.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah the last CD reissues of the debut and Adventure were from 2003 (along with the essential live at the old waldorf disc). maybe the ship has sailed, but there really should be a Television boxed set of some kind.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 23:27 (seven years ago) link
I actually bought the third album in Oxfam this weekend! £1.99 !
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
On CD, I should say.
I love that album
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:33 (seven years ago) link
I didn't, really. I bought it on LP when it came out, it had that eighties reverb that they'd avoided with the other albums, and the songs didn't connect with me apart from "Call Mr Lee". Also, lots of other records about at the time.
Not played it yet, will let you know.
I know, you can't wait, right?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 08:16 (seven years ago) link
These are Television fans. They can wait.
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
This is all I could find from a lengthy, now deleted blog post by Steve Kilbey, singer from The Church. He toured with Tom Verlaine and wrote at length about it, not in a particularly flattering way.
i met one of my all time heroestom verlaine (nee miller)he came on tour with us in 1988he was a strange dudepenny pinching hilarious sarcastic weird mannothing like what i expectedhe treated me like a pesky kidand i still vividly remember one day in the dead of wintersomewhere in the north eastwe pulled into this hotel at about 6 amverlaine rings me up 1o minutes after we check inhey kilbey....you wanna go for a uh walkok tom i'll be right therewe walk to the top of this hillwhere theres a kinda resovoir or somethingand then we see a couple of cars of black guyswith some nasty looking deal going downand we start runningtheyre chasing usso we run into these woodsand verlaine is sprinting down this snowy wooded hilllike a prize stallionwhile i on my shorter legs struggled along behindi thinkin how weird this isescaping from these villains with a guy i used to idolize(and fiends, marquee moon IS one of the best records ever)later i meet his mom n dadoutside a gig in phillyand his mom saysyou make sure tom writes to me
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
haha that's great. for the 40th anniversary of Marquee Moon, I traced the title track's development (via rehearsals/demos/live tapes) -- http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1438-televisions-punk-epic-marquee-moon-40-years-later/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, that's reasonably flattering, the guy actually acknowledges support band singers existence. That's not bad going from any headliner.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:30 (seven years ago) link
Wowee...can't wait to dig into that. Looks amazing.
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
So, where is that Portland 17 minute version, then?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
thanks, man, let me know what you think ... there's at least one version of the Church covering "Cortez the Killer" with Verlaine on guitar floating around ... iirc it's not quite as good as it sounds in theory, but it's cool.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
xp -- it's embedded in the article? showing up for me at least ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Ah, will have to, later. Ta.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
heads on the hunt for Television rarities should go here: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/tagged/television
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
I believe Tom Verlaine was opening for The Church. I wish I could find the rest of the post, but it's gone. I do remember him saying how TV would obsessively pour over lunch bills, and howl if he overpaid by as much as 25 cents.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
penny pinching hilarious sarcastic weird mannothing like what i expected
That's exactly what I would have expected tbh.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
yeah, they are both weirdos. if they didn't play guitar so well together, they probably would have never spoken to one another.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
I believe Tom Verlaine was opening for The Church. I wish I could find the rest of the post, but it's gone
https://web.archive.org/web/20060630060143/http://stevekilbey.blogspot.com/2006/06/one-soft-infested-summer.html
― new noise, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
I played that third album today..
I remember now: it wasn't the 'modern production values', it was the feeling that it all (well, 90% of it) could be a Lloyd Cole and the Commotions album, songwriting, vocals,the lot.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:09 (seven years ago) link
i like the third album just fine, but i highly recommend tracking down the Live at the Academy 1992 disc they sold at shows for a minute ... think it's even on Spotify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI4ve8KkO0I
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Having read Lloyd's piece, I found myself sympathising with Verlaine though that clearly wasn't the intent.
― Birds in Hell, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link
I saw them on the self-titled album tour, down in Washington DC. I had to go by myself, nobody was interested. But holy cow, it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. They were just so intense.
Fast forward about a decade later, I saw them again in NY. This time I had a bunch of friends. We left about 30 minutes into it. Slow, dull, no energy and they took about 10 minutes between each song to retune.
My friend put it best, "Tom Verlaine seems like he'd rather be playing shuffleboard."
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link
I love that kilbey blog postHe hasn't deleted his blog in general has he?
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
Discogs has a French promo single, unissued tracks, dated just after the issue of the third album.
Anyone know anything about it? Or is it a bunchafibs?
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
https://img.discogs.com/mbfz_8LScBRlDZUpOaPGUqfgjMw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2839065-1303387370.jpeg.jpg
Tracklist .1 The Revolution 3:13 2 Big Jo 0:35 3 Hoo
1 The Revolution 3:13 2 Big Jo 0:35 3 Hoo
I have found a review, which I nick and repeat here:
This was released with copies of the Self-titled album when it came out in some French department store. It's extremely rare, so naturally one would wonder: is it any good?Unfortunately no.All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.May he find peace.
Unfortunately no.
All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.
Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.
May he find peace.
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
"Hoo" is 04:56 btw
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
that Revolution single isn't all that bad, but it's not a hidden classic or anything -- sounds like half-finished leftovers from the s/t sessions. Definitely not worth the $90 they're asking on Discogs.
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
A nice post-script to the evolution of "Marquee Moon" would be the live 13:58 version from the 1982 live disc on The Miller's Tale comp, just because the recording is so good, and an interesting example of Verlaine solo.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I think its the same as on the 12" b-side of "The funniest thing"
Edit: Apparently not, its from 1987, but its still good though.
― Mark G, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
Oh, "Revolution"is on it!
Riiiiight....
― Mark G, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:03 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, that 1982 gig is stellar. I think Tyler has some bootlegs that are equal to it on his site.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOyNTk5WZM
― brownie, Thursday, 2 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
6-4-82 at the Ritz does not quite have the sound quality of the millers tale gig but the intensity is even higher. On that MM, Verlaine takes a striking unaccompanied solo.
Bowery Ballroom 2006 is also a fantastic Verlaine band live recording showing what that year's songs album could do
― Cognition (Remix) (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 March 2017 01:25 (seven years ago) link
i wrote the script for this little marquee moon video -- they found a few cool pics i hadn't seen beforehttp://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/1967-explore-televisions-marquee-moon-in-5-minutes/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
nice!
― niels, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
That's awesome Tyler!
― iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link
thanks, jon -- obviously nothing too revelatory for heads, but I think they did a nice job with it...
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
love this pic of Lloyd -- i assume it was taken some time towards the end of "Satisfaction"
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link