the menzingers suck imo and always have
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link
i assume any and all esteem for them is generated from how good they are live but they are a dead ass dull pop punk band on record
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
might be more appropriate on a j-pop thread, but I like this from the Your Name ost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDSkFeMVNFs
― devvvine, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
ok Snail Mail were so fucking good live, I hope they capture that energy on record soon
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:33 (seven years ago) link
really enjoying this band can't swim. the chorus on "we won't sleep" is a little awkward but everything around it is like super cheesy, hooky emo perfectly calibrated to my tastes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs7CWDUtuws
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
(their album comes out in march)
love it. i'm so easily manipulatable by emo songs. that moment at 2:00 (and in almost every emo song ever) when the instrumental cuts out and then comes roaring back in is super effective for me no matter how many times i hear it. thursday obv the master of this particular trick. when i saw them w/ my brother at starland he was so impressed at how rickley goes from 0 to 10 in 0 seconds. now they're doing a full tour and i'm thinking about seeing them AGAIN and fillmore philly...
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
i still really want to do that emo/pop-punk poll i signed up for years ago on the poll thread. i was also thinking a POX FOB thread would be fun. i've been listening to so much /classic/ emo recently - FOB when i drive, Brand New all the time, Dashboard at work. still loving that new dashboard covers EP.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
I would be so down for that even though I seem to only be able to get into maybe 50% of the "classic" emo bands for one reason (musical or extramusical) or another
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
definitely do the emo poll mordy
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
im down and ready for this poll
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
once i get the go ahead from the master poll thread i'll start it up and link to it here
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
It's weird that I just noticed The Meadowlands came up in another thread cause I was about to ask if it should be eligible for this
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
in a way it feels like cheating cause it's so acclaimed and no one (that I can recall) called it emo at the time? but also it feels like it set the course for how emo bands tend to evolve as they stick around and grow up so idk
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
i plan to have a v expansive definition
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
^^ into it even though i'll complain during the results
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
Was taken aback by how emo Meadowlands is when i finally heard it a few years ago, for some reason always assumed they sounded like The National. Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
the wrens have a little bit of emo in them anyway imo (the most obvious thing being the emphasis on dual vocals), see this og version of "boys you won't" from an old drive-thru records comp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu0XdDY3zfc
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― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?
Only stuff they liked.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
TBF i lean against meadowlands being available to vote for, idk i dont want it to win idk idk
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
true story: i would've probably been a huge emo fan in high school but i took the pfork pan of stay what you are to heart
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
that review apparently no longer exists on the website but this tragedy still does: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8054-full-collapse/
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
also: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4261-bleed-american/
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
the deja entendu review is also still there. the weird thing with that is i read that review at the time and thought "oh yeah, this record sounds like some bullshit" but mtv2 played "sic transit gloria" CONSTANTLY and i was like, "this song fucking rules, i'm buying the album who gives a shit"
and now i make rolling emo threads on ilx
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
so glad i didnt care about music reviews until like 2008
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
well pitchfork anyway. read the source pretty religiously for a long time
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
im pumped 4 this poll. Are you gonna do albums and tracks?
yeah i probably could've saved myself a lot of adolescent taste posturing had i never followed a link to pfork's kid a review through a radiohead fansite
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure it's the NME's fault I didn't listen to any emo records between 'From Under the Cork Tree' and the first Joyce Manor.
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
all these bad p4k reviews of classic emo albums just screams of anxiety - the knock consistently appears to be that the albums aren't /serious/ enough compared to the EXTREMELY DIFFERENT and NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL college rock indie albums they're touting one review over. hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever, or listening to all of bleed american and not enjoying any of it. all these reviews sound like the reviewer yelling at their own youth.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
at the v least i'll do albums and depending how that goes i'll do tracks too maybe following? it feels like too much to run both simultaneously?
hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever
to that reviewer's credit i believe he acknowledges that some of the lyrics are great
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
give spin + andy greenwald credit for treating thursday and brand new and dashboard all seriously - i loved greenwald's nothing feels good and i remember at least a few really excellent profiles of chris carrabba at the time. probably lucky i was reading spin (and RS who iirc didn't weigh in much either way) and not p4k.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
conversely i haaaaate the greenwald book but i hate dude's writing generally
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
well, at least nothing feels good is better than everybody hurts
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
i haven't read it since it came out so for all i know it would annoy me now but back then it felt good (lol) to see bands i loved getting a somewhat serious treatment on their level. iirc i particularly liked the conversations he had w/ the fans about why they loved this music.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
I suffered p much exactly the same musical respectability politics issue that Brad did which is why the closest I got to emo at the time was The Wrens and the Desoto records stuff which tbh I really think should also be considered emo. Some of it (eg Shiner's The Egg) even got the dreaded emo pan
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
wait, I see that actually got a positive review, I must be thinking of something else from the same period
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
i have no idea what these bands are simon
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
oh man
the noms thread is going to feature me breathlessly droning on about guitar albums no one else gives a shit about, it's gonna suck/rule
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
Black Eyes self-titled still goes hard
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
Still listen to those guys all the time. This track goes so hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvomZe3WLo
― Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
I think there are certain Black Eyes tracks (Deformative) but maybe not the albums
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
otm
tbh I thought Jimmy Eat World, Jets to Brazil, etc were terrible at the time. Was much more into stuff like Small Brown Bike, Hot Water, Frodus, Shiner, PMFS... which I guess means just post-hardcore, though emo-core was what we thought of it.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
I did like Get Up Kids though so who knows
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
oh man I remember P4k shitting on JtB (and Jawbreaker's Dear You!) for their emoness so hard
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
lol Danm never heard of any of those bands.
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
It isn't emo, but I lost nearly all respect for pitchfork when they gave Lifter Puller's Fiestas & Fiascos a 3.something rating, and then years later were slobbering all over the band after Hold Steady blew up and the LP discography came out.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
I was afraid you were going to say that.
― ArchCarrier, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
my remaining hope for 2017 is that Quote Unquote surprise-drops the new Antarctigo Vespucci before the month is out, not sure how likely that really is though
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
are earlier sorority noise albums good? i listened to a bit of one and it seemed to be lacking, something (the humour? the killer arrangements? his delivery was a little less dry maybe) that make 'you're not as _____ as you think' so good to me
The new one is definitely the crowd-pleaser. Joy, Departed was a very sour record, and the It Kindly Stopped for Me EP is such a rough listen it almost feels like grief rendered into a snuff film. The tougher, alt-rock thing of the new one is a great look for them though.
― Evan R, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
brad was not lying about the Glassjaw album, easily one of the least compromising reunion records I can recall
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
the nasty basslines and slurred guitars remind me a bit of Unsane
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
I'm on it!
― ArchCarrier, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
"nasty" is the right word i think
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 1 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
simon if you haven't heard them i recommend the two eps glassjaw put out before this record, they were the first glassjaw things i even sorta liked and they sound even better alongside the new album
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
i like the new one so much that i'm gonna struggle to give a shit about worship & tribute again
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
that midsection where it just falls into a cavern ("strange hours" / "bastille day") is really cool
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
I definitely underestimated the caracara album. it's seriously great.
― Simon H., Monday, 4 December 2017 05:11 (six years ago) link
everyone get hyped for next year's black foxxes album, it is phenomenal. for fans of merchandise and manchester orchestra but i think everyone here will be able to get down with it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
lmao microwave not merchandise, what is wrong with me
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
For those compiling your year-end lists, this playlist includes all the available tracks on this thread, organized roughly chronologically in order of mention:
ILM's 2017 Rolling Emo + Pop Punk Thread Spotify Playlist
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 11 December 2017 05:19 (six years ago) link
Enjoying the hell out of the Nervous Dater album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMigoMIkcx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW6TN9zzObY
― Evan R, Monday, 11 December 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
y'all check out this extremely baffling synth-heavy prog-emo-metalcore thing i found on the kerrang list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5PHS8y5ozs
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
uhhhh wow
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
I can't tell if I truly love this or if I'm just dazzled by the fact that this particular "epic EDM + metal bits" combo has finally been executed well
― Simon H., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
same! but i think i really like it!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
last track just convinced me that i love it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
might be more appropriate on a j-pop thread, but I like this from the Your Name ost.― devvvine, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:59 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― Nhex, Monday, 25 December 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
gonna let brad make the 2018 thread but happy new Jeff Rosenstock album day!!!
― Simon H., Monday, 1 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
oh cool, I didn't know that was coming
― jmm, Monday, 1 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
yeah it was a surprise release. he finally wrote his own britpop tune ("TV Stars")
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
new jeff is pretty good
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
yes I think that is the correct descriptor, not quite a masterwork/major statement like WORRY was but lots of great and appealingly weird moments
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
rolling emo/pop-punk/embarrassing music 2018
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link