ok, so you're saying they still shot some live aciton for DS9 on film a la TNG but the final edit was just to video, unlike TNG. i can see that.
No, the final cut on both was to video - they went back to the uncut film negatives of TNG and remade every episode from the ground up. DS9 would require the same process but with even more CGI work and it's cost-prohibitive since it's even less popular than TNG (which may not have recouped the cost of the remaster) and disc sales have continued to decline over time. All it would take is one crazy billionaire to drop $40 million of his pocket change into sponsoring the project - maybe Peter Thiel could earn back some goodwill?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:44 (seven years ago) link
I'm surprised that TNG was shot on film.
― akm, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:52 (seven years ago) link
all the '90s trek shows have the filmic look even with the fx
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 05:38 (seven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that, before digital cameras, most bigger-budget American TV shows were always shot on film? And videotape was mostly used on cheaper productions, like soap operas, talk shows, and lower-budget sitcoms? I don't know so much about technicalities of it, but shows shot on film certainly have a different look on them (especially when it comes to lighting), and you could see that even with old tube televisions. So if they a high enough budget to allow shooting on film, I think most shows opted for that to give them a more classy/cinematic look.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:28 (seven years ago) link
I just wanted to show off my new deep-cut display name.
― Dr. MC Selar (Leee), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm easily amused:http://scrolldowntoriker.com/https://twitter.com/RikerGoogling
And must watch just for Gates McFadden dancing at the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vT5Al3DGLs
― Downtown Julie Mau (Leee), Thursday, 9 March 2017 00:54 (seven years ago) link
wow. i love how they're all seemingly very drunk at these things. and goddamn, levar burton is old!
― Nhex, Thursday, 9 March 2017 04:00 (seven years ago) link
not as old (possibly) as rene auberjonois (odo) who I just saw in a film convincingly playing a 76 year old with nascent dementia.
― brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Thursday, 9 March 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
wow. i love how they're all seemingly very drunk at these things.
Yes, these things always seem like such a blast. I don't know if it's in that particular vid (the panel is split into 3 Youtubes), but when the moderator mentions "Yesterday's Enterprise", lolz at the cast members going, "Is that the one with time traveling? Oh, and Tasha Yar's sister!"
― Downtown Julie Mau (Leee), Thursday, 9 March 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
I saw this last weekend, it was p great. My favorite piece was the fake cereal box tbh.
http://www.chabotspace.org/startrek
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 March 2017 22:29 (seven years ago) link
i've been working through DS9 for the first time and just saw "the visitor" for the first time, and holy shit what a gut wrenching episode. i knew the episode was special when it managed to bring me to tears a couple of times.
sure the frame story was a bit cheesy at time, but it's definitely the best episode i've seen by far
― just another (diamonddave85), Friday, 10 March 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Candyman brings it.
― Jeff, Friday, 10 March 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link
the visitor is total classic
― ciderpress, Friday, 10 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, it's grand. Soon after this first broadcast I stopped regularly watching both then-current series -- my interests were starting to drift elsewhere, in combination with me moving into what was the final phase of my increasingly stress-filled grad school life -- and aside from an idle eye on the movies I've never really 'returned' to Trek in full. But having this as a bit of an unplanned send-off was lovely.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 March 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
I started (re)watching a few Voyager episodes, and either I've had bad luck picking the episodes or the series was simply terrible. (I'm being rhetorical here.) The forced bonhomie is what bothers me the worst -- you've got Starfleet and former Maquis together on the same ship and marooned light-decades away from home, yet it's a big corny-joke making family.
― ...and DON'T *bleeep* IT UP! (Leee), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
terrible show
watching a few TOS episodes a week w/my daughter has been a real pleasure
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
just watch all the bryan fuller-written eps of voyager and you're good
― clouds, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 23:51 (seven years ago) link
Bashir-Worf Hypothesis: a relationship with the Dax symbiont affects the subject's world view.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Friday, 21 April 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
The forced bonhomie is what bothers me the worst -- you've got Starfleet and former Maquis together on the same ship and marooned light-decades away from home, yet it's a big corny-joke making family.
It's worth reading the second volume of the recent Trek oral history just to see pretty much every single person who ever worked on the show continually drag Berman & Braga on this very topic. "By the end of the pilot they're all in Starfleet uniforms and reporting to Janeway like it's no big thing, WGAF?" Writers who transitioned from DS9 were especially pissed at setting up this group that was going to be used on Voyager just to see the entire premise instantly pissed away.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, as a criticism it definitely sticks and the first 2/3 seasons aren't all that...but beyond that I can watch a lot of it compared to NG.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
voyager has a bunch of fun high-concept episodes but few good character-based ones
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Do you count "Bride of Chaotica" as one of the former? Because I watched it recently and was incredibly bored.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Friday, 21 April 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
the one where everyone is dying from some incurable disease which leads them to find out they're copies of the real voyager and crew
― clouds, Friday, 21 April 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Living Witness is probably the best example of what I mean
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 April 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
I've been thinking more about Voyager (who knows why) and it's not even the Maquis/Starfleet thing that bugs me -- it's that the writing/dialogue is so artificial and dumb which leads to very little on-screen chemistry between the bridge crew. Basically, any non-holographic/ex-Borg character interacting with any other non-holographic/ex-Borg character is bad -- Janeway is probably the worst of the bunch, even though Mulgrew is perfectly fine as an actor!
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
It would probably be more interesting to watch 45 minutes of the actors having lunch in full makeup than any given episode of the series.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
my daughter and I just got to the Space Seed last week, she was so into it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Not only were the actors boring, they stayed boring for SEVEN WHOLE SEASONS. That's an almost respectable commitment.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
wtf is this vic fontaine shit? and apparently he becomes a recurring character?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
Vic Fontaine was a bad idea, but the actor/singer playing him is enjoyable, and the episode with him and PTSD Nog is really good, so they kinda manage to salvage that it could've been.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Apparently he was only added to the show because Ira Steven Behr loves '50s crooner music. And they originally intended to cast Frank Sinatra Jr. for the role!
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
The holodeck heist episode that takes place in his casino was an enjoyable breather amidst the Dominion war arc too. Really, they managed to make lemonade out of that particular lemon.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Fuck all the haters, Vic is awesome. Best holodeck character in all of ST. For whatever that's worth.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Picard and riker would disagree
https://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/binar2.jpg
― PROFESSOR JIGGLY is loose in the Cat Room (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
It's weird that they never really get into the ethics of a captive holodeck being. Especially with Vic, who remembers his past experiences, etc.
― DJI, Thursday, 11 May 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
TNG "Ship in a Bottle"? and i'm sure Voyager did it with the Doctor at some point though not necessarily well
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 01:10 (six years ago) link
I'll have to look that one (Ship in a Bottle) up.
― DJI, Thursday, 11 May 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
Ship in a Bottle gets into the ethics of holodeck beings like Triumph of the Will gets into the ethics of fascism.
― ledge, Thursday, 11 May 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link
yeah it's not at all a hard look at it but it plays off the concept
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
Its decent for a TNG ep
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
Rewatched "Ship in a Bottle" for the poll and was underwhelmed. I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
OTOH, Voyager's "Blink of an Eye" is fun!
I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.
haha yes
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
yeah i rewatched it last night after mentioning it in here and i still enjoyed but the ending is certainly more effective if you aren't expecting it
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Blink of an Eye another good exmaple of the sort of silly high-concept thing that produces the most watchable Voyager eps
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
pretty sure Moriarty was lying about being awake while in storage. he was smarter than data, you know!
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 11 May 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
I can't believe this is going to air first before Discovery ever does. Or maybe I can.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-seth-macfarlanes-star-trek-spoof-1795237662
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
ew
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
i'll watch that tripe. over/under on episodes until cancellation?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link
Oh god that's a TV series?? Why couldn't it just be a movie, where we could hold our breaths during its opening weekend and then forget about it afterwards?
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link