T/S: John Hughes vs. Judd Apatow

Seriously. Name me one better than FBDO in the Teen Comedy category. One.

The teens on "The Price is R ight" are less smug. God, Ferris Bueller would have made Reagan a happier, prouder dad.

There's an anecdote involving Jack Nicholson at a FBDO screening.

Ferris Bueller is molten Reaganism in its purest form.

no, that's Adventures in Babysitting.

Better than Abe Froeman, the Sausage King of Chicago?

Better than Sloan Peterson?

Better than the 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California?

Come on - D&C is GREAT...really great. Over the Edge, also very good. But in boxing terms, Foreman and Frazier to FBDO's Ali.

Ferris Bueller is molten Reaganism in its purest form.

YES

(and by YES I mean that's why its kinda gross to have to live through)

guys, I take your point, but seriously, Adventures in Babysitting!

Isn't that the one where Elizabeth Shue sings blooze? Jeezum.

Aren't Ferris Bueller and Adventures in Babysitting pretty much the same movie?

one stars a girl the other stars a boy. MARKETING!

there should be a thread about "pretty much the same movie"

yes. most Reaganite moment in that movie: Shue's best friend Brenda, who the whole movie is devoted to "rescuing," and with whom we're meant to sympathize is stuck without money in a bus station in the terrifying city (as opposed to the suburbs, which the movie champions). she's on the phone in a phone booth which a homeless man knocks on, yelling, "that's my home!" she removes his personal effects from the booth and says, "you just moved!"

Am I totally imagining this, or isn't/wasn't there some bad blood btwn Apatow and some guy who was largely responsible for "That 70's Show"? I remember reading a series of emails btwn the two of them which was pubished in Harper's magazine's "Readings" section a few years back. I guess they had been really tight at some point, but then had a falling out of some sorts. Anyhow, as I recall, the "70's Show" guy came off as being something of a jerk.

Apatow definitely >>>> John Hughes, but I still like 16 Candles lots, annoying racist parts notwithstanding. Also, I don't want to like Ferris Bueller, but it's an undeniable classic that will outlive, say, The Breakfast Club.

At least we can feel confident that Judd Apatow will never sink down into Home Alone-territory...

You forgot: Brenda makes a point of how smelly and disgusting these peopel are, and being afraid of them for that reason.

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*people

How come noone is talking about Heavyweights????

yeah, I didn't want to go into detail, but there are many many moments like that in the movie.

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Ferris Bueller's Day Off, starring:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/Ed-Meese150.jpg

Am I totally imagining this, or isn't/wasn't there some bad blood btwn Apatow and some guy who was largely responsible for "That 70's Show"?

hmmm never heard of this but F&G and That 70s Show did start around the same time ircc

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2002/03/0079095

Thursday, December 6, 2001

Two TV titans engage in email battle

The creator of the light-hearted teen comedy "That '70s Show" revealed a nasty streak during a recent e-mail exchange.

The online argument took place between "'70s" creator Mark Brazill and "Undeclared" and "Freaks And Geeks" creator Judd Apatow, The New York Post reports.

Seems "'70s Show" star Topher Grace accidentally started the e-mail war when he expressed an interest in doing a guest spot on Apatow's "Undeclared". Topher and Apatow originally thought Topher's guest appearance wouldn't cause problems since both shows are on the Fox network.

It turned out to be a huge problem for Brazill.

The trouble started after Apatow, who met Brazill about 10 years ago, tried calling him about Topher's potential "Undeclared" spot, but his calls went unanswered.

The "Undeclared" mastermind then sent Brazill an e-mail asking why Brazill had a problem with him. He received this e-mail back:

"Yeah, we were friends in the early '90s," Brazill wrote. "And if you don't recall what happened, I'll remind you. I had a pilot at MTV called 'Yard Dogs' about a rock band living in Hollywood. I told you about it and you proceeded to completely rip it off, storyline and all, for 'The Ben Stiller Show.' When it turned up on your show, everything went away overnight . . . I had no job, no money, nothing."

Apatow replied and said he wasn't sure what Brazill was referring to, and that since "The Ben Stiller Show" was less than a success, it shouldn't have affected Brazill's program.

But the reply seemed to have further infuriated Brazill, who responded by calling Apatow a "showbiz weasel" and telling him to "get cancer".

Apatow apparently tried to remain level-headed through the heated exchange, writing back: " I wish you had called me about this years ago. I'm sure we could have worked it out. Try not to be so angry. Not everyone is as bad as you think."

But Apatow's friendly e-mail only fuelled Brazill's fire, and the "'70s Show" writer finished the argument by saying:

"We'll never be 'friends'... I respect you zero."

Brazill is reportedly ashamed about his behaviour. He told the Page Six staff that he regrets his e-mail comments and that he's "apologized to Judd".

"Not everyone is as bad as you think"

^^^
on what planet wd this line calm anyone down?

To name a Scottish contemporary of Hughes's, he can't touch Bill Forsyth's Gregory's Girl or That Sinking Feeling.

Can you see the similarities?

HER

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/ferrisgirlfriend3.jpg

vs

HER

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/ferrisgirlfriend3.jpg

er, HER:

http://www.harrywalker.com/photos/Kirkpatrick.jpg

i thought i saw some but now i don't

most molten reagan movie:

http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/secret_of_my_success.jpg

CHAMPAGNE, BABY

sportcoat and jeans combo, as invented by hank scorpio!

best film abt the suburbs = the swimmer

I prefer Swimfan.

mmm Jesse Bradford

Apatow comes across way better in that e-mail war.

Trivia

* The winning time in the 200 yard freestyle event depicted in the film would have set a world record.

"Not everyone is as bad as you think" <----------!?

it's like "Heavens! I goad you now ;-)"

the Home Alones are awesome

Uncle Buck is fucking awful

Dude. What would you say to someone who is pissed at you for something you can't remember and then tells you to get cancer? I don't think Judd had any responsibility to find some key phrase to make this guy act reasonably. xx

I'll go back to my life of thievery and leeching. As for the cancer, I'll wait till you get it and then steal it from you. By the way, that joke was one of my writers', Rodney Rothman (see, I credited him). See, I have no original thoughts.

LOLZ

xxxx-posts, etc.

Thanks for digging up the Apatow-Brazill thing, y'all. "...We were friends in the early 90's" makes me laugh for some reason.

Well, yes, Ferris Bueller is smug, and I can understand how people would say that it's a sort of epitome of the grossness of the Reagan era/attitudes...but Matthew Broderick brings a genuine winningness to his role that Reagan in his abject phoniness and hypocrisy and overal dubious "morality", could never pull off in his role as the president. The Ferris/Cameron scenes alone make the movie. And it's, um, fun. It's still a fun movie to watch. It was not "fun" to live through the Reagan administration.

Hmm, I will never understand all the love for Dazed and Confused. So overrated, in my opinion. Over the Edge, though, yeah, that's bad-ass.

Good point upthread, Shakey, about Hughes' portrayal of teens vs Little Darlings, etc. I think that is what makes most of his films so watchable, even when they are kinda lame and riddled with lazy stereotypes (e.g., The Breafast Club!)

Shit, The Swimmer is such an amazing movie. That should really get more attention than it does. And Hank Scorpio=best Simpsons one-off character other than Frank Grimes!

I like the idea of having a writing team to consult for zings.

I wd have said "Try not to be so angry while I try and make you angrier" OH WAIT

i mean, yr right, he has every right to say what he LIKES back to cancerwisher, but if he actually meant to calm him down a bit that seems a silly approach (at least it wd annoy me) (in fact it did)

i have less than zero invested in ferris bueller, but can someone explain exactly what's wrong with it? is it because it's about upper middle or upper class kids who get away with being lazy and irresponsible, or even worse happy and well-adjusted (they have no right, those fuckers)? or because they're punker than the mopey, less popular kids? because richard edson plays a dude of semi-indeterminate ethnicity?

IMPAWARDS HAS FOILED ME AGAIN

WILL I NEVER LEARN

it's less apathetic than dazed and confused, that's for sure

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RICHARD JOBSON

gabbneb its because Ferris takes advantage of everyone around him and then acts like their sacrifices and contributions to his happiness don't actually matter in any way (among other things)

or because they're punker than the mopey, less popular kids?

I have no idea what you mean by this

surprise

gabbneb its because Ferris takes advantage of everyone around him and then acts like their sacrifices and contributions to his happiness don't actually matter in any way (among other things)

pls