Dirty Projectors

Nauseating profile up on p4k today http://pitchfork.com/features/profile/10013-going-solo-dirty-projectors-dave-longstreth-steps-outside-the-frame/

We talk about The Blues Brothers joining the canon of flinty, ’70s American cinema, and how Magic Eye illusions double as a metaphor for the concentrated power of female orgasm.

I'm going to assume you made that sentence up 'cause there's no way I was gonna read that anyway.

no that sentence is absolutely in there

yep. along with pictures of Longstreth looking pensive in the woods

jfc burn it all down

:D

Interesting that he produced Coffman's album, I guess.

also that he recorded this new album a year and a half ago

Did Eli Cash write this:

"They took breaks listening to bachata, dancehall, Jorge Ben’s A Tábua De Esmeralda, music where even harmonic elements are framed as rhythm, and at night stood out by the train tracks with burritos, staring up at the factory silos nearby, filled with corn syrup."

Still kinda enjoyed it and hoping against hope that I can take DL's "the songs are not autobiography" claim seriously.

So this new song with Dawn Richard

this is easily the best of the new songs so far, the end with the overlapping vocals is really nice

http://www.stereogum.com/1924017/dirty-projectors-fleet-foxes-frontmen-discuss-the-bad-and-bougie-state-of-indie-rock-today/news/

In which Dave Longstreth of Dirty Projectors starts a conversation about how indie rock is resting its laurels on the unearned, lazy appropriation of other people's ideas by extensively quoting "Bad and Boujee".

"well removed from the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience"

my new display name

feels great

The whole thing is pretty vomitous. Like, yeah, you guys are real fuckin' artists, man. Critics of society, even.

Dick Longstretch

lol @ GAPDY nostalgia

fleet foxes guy is slightly less of a complete disaster there than dave wanker

that was otm though, about GAPDY being the last time indie was proggy

Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste chimed in, too, with a screaming face emoji.

Ed Droste otm.

that was otm though, about GAPDY being the last time indie was proggy

― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:07 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

someone wants to be deluged in links

that is such a pathetically closed-minded perspective

also all those bands have made more records since 2009...

Ahhh this is awful

"Refined and effete, well removed from the rain drops and drop tops of lived, earned experience"

Lifting your guitar-style wholesale from Malian players, lyrics about listening to Tupac and Kanye, this is imo the most dangerous and insidious form of cultural white supremacy, that kind that is colonialism masquerading as wokeness

And if somebody uses "effete" as a pejorative again I will limp-wristedly pull a gun on them

god i wish jamie from xiu xiu hadn't deleted his tweet about Longstreth, it was something like "do you KNOW that Dave Longstreth is a /something/ with fucked ideas about colonialism?"

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO REMEMBERED THIS!

was something like 'racist notions about eastern european ethnicity' i think

Chipotle
Indie rock has been criticized as refined and effete for as long as I can remember, but I think a narrow focus on a certain strand of American indie rock masks how bands like Tame Impala and Unknown Mortal Orchestra really are pushing music forward while influencing artists across genre lines. I think 2016 was an unusually weak year for indie rock, but 2015 and 2013 had lots of great stuff. But yes, you can't keep mining 90s lo-fi indie rock/Pavement forever and expect it to sound fresh.

02/10/17 9:43 AM+7REPLY

Chipotle
Also call me crazy, but I think 2017 will be a really good year for (indie) rock music. 2016 was dominated by great superstar R&B/hip-hop albums, so I think the time is more than ripe for a shift.

02/10/17 10:02 AM+8

lil wotie
my take is that rock music should move away from the "indie" sound of idkkkkk jangly guitars and delicate vocals...idk what effete means. Move to something harder that shreds

02/10/17 9:56 AM+10REPLY

Chipotle
Yup. Stooges/Stones/Faces/Led Zeppelin/Velvet Underground influence would be welcome and would sound super fresh.

02/10/17 10:10 AM+9

And once again ILX seems like a beacon of sanity.

I mean maybe we're all wrong

Maybe Dave Longstreth in fact invented Ali Farka Toure

Maybe he invented Black Flag also

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO REMEMBERED THIS!

was something like 'racist notions about eastern european ethnicity' i think

lmao yes!!!! i tweeted at him at the time like "JUICY DEETS SPILL THE BEANS!!!!!!"

Longstreth reminds me a lot of David Byrne: aloof, arrogant, annoying, constantly appropriating African music

I made the joke a few times before but Dirty Projectors reaallllllly living their band name these days

it would be "fun" to read a group intvw between Longstreth, JS, and Downtown Boys

I've tried to engage with DL one-on-one about serious stuff, but he's such a brainiac and he's clearly spent weeks upon weeks building up internal logic structures to excuse himself, explain himself, preserve the idea of his own genius. Maybe I'm just not on-the-ball enough to call him on his bullshit irl but it's like trying to play tower defence against a racist and misogynist Harvard graduate who knows every possible loophole

man who clearly spent weeks upon weeks building up internal logic structures to excuse himself is a pretty good summation of the new songs imo

“Complex plans and high ideals but he treats people poorly/Is a ceaseless ambitiousness proxy for a void he’s ignoring?” is the opening line from one of the tunes of his new album.

God that Insta post was fucking cringey.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/magazine/the-dirty-projectors-go-solo.html?_r=1

In between the previous record and this new one they did a fabulous duet version of Climax by Usher. Seemed loaded with significance at the time and now seems even more like an obvious portent of a breakup (album).

That's on the JJJ session for their Like A Version slot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_K-IbJYvE

It's streaming. And it's weird. A song like 'Work Together' is definitely new, but...

i love that this and the new xiu xiu record are coming out on the same day. longstreth is such a fucking asshole, the lyrics on this thing are absurd.

tbf JS is probably also an asshole but a much more interesting one imo

well like for instance the xiu xiu record ends with vaginal davis reading a list of lines jamie wrote about pictures of underage prostitutes he found on backpage and then reported - i think like most of his records, there's an enormous amount of empathy and a concerted effort to connect and acknowledge aspects of the human condition that are ignored even in the arts. the songs are really good, i think it's the best thing he's done in a while, but he puts out a lot of albums. this dirty projectors record is really immaculately produced, the music is really cool on most of it, but it's the most hilariously offensive and unintentionally mean set of lyrics i've ever seen. nagl, but sort of amazing and again hilarious

god i wish jamie's tweet was still up

christ the hours i've wasted looking for some trace of it

This is the first Dirty Projectors album I've been remotely excited to hear (that "Own Little Bubble" song is gorgeous, and the supporting cast is A+) but the guy is so toxic right now I don't even want to go near it.

Are the lyrics really that bad? I have a very low tolerance for one-sided, recriminatory lyrics pointed at an identifiable person, but the buzz around this is so bad you'd think the guy made a men's rights record. Or a Sun Kil Moon record.