Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Next season trailer was exciting, but it always is.

more info on the new companion

possible minor spoiler even in the url, but that news is superb

Yes

Good second trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbJqNa0_Oz0

I quite want to discuss the final shot, but I know this thread is particilarly spoilerphobic.

well I am excited *shocker*

If you're a new-spoiler-hating twitter person, I'd avoid Twitter for the rest of the day...

yeah that was an unwelcome surprise, thx bbc :(

apparently footage leaked

It was in a trailer at the screening. Moffat told all present to keep the secret but the guy from the Sun broke the embargo :-((

the BBC should know by now that it can't trust anyone

spoiler is of the "not that shit again" variety.

that'll do, guys

I'm bemused, because I didn't think that was remotely a spoiler?

Ah okay, I meant the one at the end of the trailer - abanana otmfm

It's not a piece of news that fills me with great joy.

that was... fine

Yeah sad that it's being announced to be his final season. Would like more of him.
Glad to see his hair getting longer and the red frock coat reappearing.
Thought episode pretty good.

guys i think bill might be

gay

There are a number of stories online saying who the next Doctor is. I don't remember hearing anything about a build up or what the possible choices were.
Has that got to do with there being no series last year, so less discussion around?

This happens every time though. If you're going by newspapers and celeb mags they deliberately pick someone 'controversial' for the clickbait and trot out the usual cliches about bookmakers suspending bets etc. Has anyone ever met anyone who actually put money on who the next Doctor is btw?

Thanks for the warning to avoid newspapers today.

Thought that was a great intro episode. As usual, a solid Moffat script turns to nonsense around the 30 minute mark, and some typically naff BBC direction, though it rallies at the end. But Bill's v. good, and the show looks like it's having *fun* for the first time in a while, even if the story was just a mashup of an old RTD "love is the answer" plot with a Moffat "machine part makes regrettable error" story.

Not sure what the deal with the eyestar was - foreshadow of a story to come, or just confusing incidental detail?

plenty of foreshadowing all through this. i hope it's going somewhere because this whole episode was by the numbers imo. even next week's is the template new-companion's-second-episode in a spoilery way that i won't go into.

new doctor rumours are deeply troubling :(

lets not repeat them here then :)

I had heard rumours of Movellans and was thrilled they were back even just for a few seconds. Also glad that their foes are out of the way because the series feels full with the already -announced-by-the-Beeb-but-I'm-not-going-to-spoil x, y, y^2 and z.

I thought Movellans were viewed as a bit naff from the first time they appeared. Possibly could have been used better , but I'm sure galactic Rick James fans are useful innit?
Are thy just going to cycle through possibly underused alien races throughout this series?

Yeah it's a shame they can't cultivate aliens from the new era as well as bringing back old ones. Not sure which of the new era species with a specific 'iconic' appearance are the best though ('Angel' statues aside as they weren't supposed to have but do I guess). Moffat doean't seem to have been bothered about innovating in this respect - at least RTD tried with Slitheen, Judoon, Ood etc.

perhaps moffat feels more challenged when he does new things with existing aliens, or perhaps the bbc demanded retreaded aliens in exchange for absolute freedom to timey-wimey

(i hope that made sense)

If today's media speculation about Thirteen turns out to be true it would be so fucking lame and quite possibly the death knell of the show.

I was thinking of it being like going from Tom baker to Peter Davison but I don't really know what this other guy's like. Not sure what I've seen him n.
But hopefully it is just early speculation. Looks like several of the stories i was seeing earlier are actually citing the Sun.

BBC aren't biting.

Loved the episode, why couldn't Capaldi have started like this? OH YEAH, SODDING CLARA.

The rumoured new guy is exactly who I'd have put money on it being - I said as much somewhere else a few months ago. I think he'll be OK, but he comes with baggage which'll be hard to shift for UK viewers (see also Tate and Corden, for example).

I like Bill but thought Deep Breath was far better than this both as a season opener. It's different if there's an existing companion to deal with though. xp

There is no way whoever the #1 rumoured person is now will actually be it.

i fuckin hope not

don't even watch this any more but please god no

I like everything about Bill

I can't imagine anyone not thinking #1 candidate is a complete twat, I think even my mum hates him.

Wasn't entirely taken by the actual story for this episode but okay it's an introduction to the character.

I can forgive the syrupy stuff now - 'OMG you were meant to be lecturing about quantum physics but talked about ... poetry!', and yet they don't actually bother to quote any poetry or quantum physics, etc.

Syrupy sweet music still, although sometimes I did notice it getting quite jagged. I can overlook all this as it seems to be the price of keeping it on TV at all.

I thought Matt Lucas was an alright foil, not too overpowering.

They managed to get one genuine creepy bit in, the shower/the eye staring out of the plughole. I like to think there's a team of writers coming up with loads of unheimlich stuff but only one little bit gets allowed into any episode.

Re: the possible new Doctor. Yeah. Total twat. And yet they'd be playing the Doctor and you never know. The Doctor is kind of a twat? Problem could be solved neatly by making new Doctor a woman, something I'd support.

does everyone hate this guy? I don't know him. he looks vaguely familiar (i'm in the US)

oh, love actually (which I like, fuck off)

he was in long-running terrible sitcom and a long-running terrible series of adverts for a telecommunications company

I think I know the guy you mean. Would not be a great choice. He's a bit "your least memorable university housemate". Doubt it will happen, but who knows re Brexit Trump etc etc

he could have just had awful material though. I mean, in his defense, knowing nothing else about him.

apparently people have been pushing for the woman from Fleabag...that I could get behind

In the meantime let's talk about Bill and why she's great, specifically: great comic timing; odd-looking but clearly stunning (a la Matt Smith); capable of delivering Moffat's (now slightly tiresome) banter and a dippy romance subplot with 100% dignity retained; just got everything so right in the photograph scene: heartbreaking without bring emo about it. Acting, basically.

Yeah I like her, wonder if she'll last beyond Capaldi. Do wish we had another few seasons with him though.
Or that we'd had a few with him and Not Clara.