Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

<19>"What does "bb" mean?"

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it's something you masturbate in the same room as

gah fuck those html tags

"what's the deal with all this regressive male nanny talk. oh right women are the ones who make babies and that is their defining characteristic per moffat."

I think Moffat thought viewers would react this way to a male nanny and thus spent a lot of time pointing to the situation and going "no, you see, it's TOTALLY ALL RIGHT". Well intentioned but perhaps selling the general public of 2016 a bit short.

The viewing pubic in the U.K. voted for Brexit and the viewing public in the US elected Trump. If anything, he was giving viewers too much credit.

i live in progressive minded Berkeley and even here a male nanny is a rare exception; let's not pretend like there is complete gender parity in the nanny profession. pointing out the rarity of it isn't like saying "omg, a FEMALE doctor?"

Also this is for values of TOTALLY ALL RIGHT which include being a super-creeper.

As someone who's been pretty consistently into the Moffat era of the show, this was really, really bad. Mostly due to every element of the superhero plot, which seems like it could've easily been excised from the episode without really affecting the colonization plot at all.

let's not pretend like there is complete gender parity in the nanny profession. pointing out the rarity of it isn't like saying "omg, a FEMALE doctor?"

― akm, Saturday, 31 December 2016 04:54 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, but it's not remarkable enough to point out explicitly. this is a show that (since 2005 especially) has women and men doing all sorts of things that weren't common 50 years ago, and everyone gets on with it and nobody bats an eyelid.

As someone who's been pretty consistently into the Moffat era of the show, this was really, really bad. Mostly due to every element of the superhero plot, which seems like it could've easily been excised from the episode without really affecting the colonization plot at all.

Except of course for the final resolution.

DJP, I doubt there's a considerable overlap between Trump/Brexit voters and people who watch Doctor Who tho.

The colonisation plot was pretty rote stuff in its own right, it was mainly there to give some conflict to the superhero plot. The whole thing felt super phoned in.

Yeah, it was pretty disappointing, because Dr. Who + superheroes could've provided a fertile mixture, but now both part of the story were stuff we're super predictable, there were none of the sort of cool surprises this sort of genre play could provide in the best case. The superhero identity hijinks were stuff we've seen for decades with Spider-Man/Superman/etc, and the alien invasion plot was recycled from "Aliens of London".

When does BBC start the new season? Only seeing it listed as Spring still.
Glad there'll be no Carla. Not sure about presence of Nardole, could become wearing.
Hope Bill will be ok.

I thought I heard the guy say April during the end credits.

yeah april.

there is no character named 'carla'

I enjoyed the special while it was on, but it was basically shit. I'd have resolved the romance subplot with her knocking him back for repeatedly neglecting her baby.

Like many people, enjoyed Lucas a lot more than I thought I would.

Next season trailer was exciting, but it always is.

more info on the new companion

possible minor spoiler even in the url, but that news is superb

Yes

Good second trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbJqNa0_Oz0

I quite want to discuss the final shot, but I know this thread is particilarly spoilerphobic.

well I am excited *shocker*

If you're a new-spoiler-hating twitter person, I'd avoid Twitter for the rest of the day...

yeah that was an unwelcome surprise, thx bbc :(

apparently footage leaked

It was in a trailer at the screening. Moffat told all present to keep the secret but the guy from the Sun broke the embargo :-((

the BBC should know by now that it can't trust anyone

spoiler is of the "not that shit again" variety.

that'll do, guys

I'm bemused, because I didn't think that was remotely a spoiler?

Ah okay, I meant the one at the end of the trailer - abanana otmfm

It's not a piece of news that fills me with great joy.

that was... fine

Yeah sad that it's being announced to be his final season. Would like more of him.
Glad to see his hair getting longer and the red frock coat reappearing.
Thought episode pretty good.

guys i think bill might be

gay

There are a number of stories online saying who the next Doctor is. I don't remember hearing anything about a build up or what the possible choices were.
Has that got to do with there being no series last year, so less discussion around?

This happens every time though. If you're going by newspapers and celeb mags they deliberately pick someone 'controversial' for the clickbait and trot out the usual cliches about bookmakers suspending bets etc. Has anyone ever met anyone who actually put money on who the next Doctor is btw?

Thanks for the warning to avoid newspapers today.

Thought that was a great intro episode. As usual, a solid Moffat script turns to nonsense around the 30 minute mark, and some typically naff BBC direction, though it rallies at the end. But Bill's v. good, and the show looks like it's having *fun* for the first time in a while, even if the story was just a mashup of an old RTD "love is the answer" plot with a Moffat "machine part makes regrettable error" story.

Not sure what the deal with the eyestar was - foreshadow of a story to come, or just confusing incidental detail?

plenty of foreshadowing all through this. i hope it's going somewhere because this whole episode was by the numbers imo. even next week's is the template new-companion's-second-episode in a spoilery way that i won't go into.

new doctor rumours are deeply troubling :(

lets not repeat them here then :)

I had heard rumours of Movellans and was thrilled they were back even just for a few seconds. Also glad that their foes are out of the way because the series feels full with the already -announced-by-the-Beeb-but-I'm-not-going-to-spoil x, y, y^2 and z.

I thought Movellans were viewed as a bit naff from the first time they appeared. Possibly could have been used better , but I'm sure galactic Rick James fans are useful innit?
Are thy just going to cycle through possibly underused alien races throughout this series?

Yeah it's a shame they can't cultivate aliens from the new era as well as bringing back old ones. Not sure which of the new era species with a specific 'iconic' appearance are the best though ('Angel' statues aside as they weren't supposed to have but do I guess). Moffat doean't seem to have been bothered about innovating in this respect - at least RTD tried with Slitheen, Judoon, Ood etc.

perhaps moffat feels more challenged when he does new things with existing aliens, or perhaps the bbc demanded retreaded aliens in exchange for absolute freedom to timey-wimey

(i hope that made sense)

If today's media speculation about Thirteen turns out to be true it would be so fucking lame and quite possibly the death knell of the show.

I was thinking of it being like going from Tom baker to Peter Davison but I don't really know what this other guy's like. Not sure what I've seen him n.
But hopefully it is just early speculation. Looks like several of the stories i was seeing earlier are actually citing the Sun.

BBC aren't biting.

Loved the episode, why couldn't Capaldi have started like this? OH YEAH, SODDING CLARA.

The rumoured new guy is exactly who I'd have put money on it being - I said as much somewhere else a few months ago. I think he'll be OK, but he comes with baggage which'll be hard to shift for UK viewers (see also Tate and Corden, for example).