More like 'do they assist in the cover-up, suppression of on-site media, etc., or do they just maintain a respectful silence about the whole affair'?
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Although if I were to make a prediction, I'll bet he tries to find an equivalent of the carrier deal in deportations -- something showy and headline grabbing that will please the base but not move the needle much.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
I think every time Trump does something that presidents have not previously done, or doesn't do something that previous presidents have done, why those things have typically not been done or done becomes pretty obvious.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
@ZaidJilaniChuck Schumer congratulates Trump's pick for Secretary of the Army, who is also a Schumer donor
https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/810914918409048068
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
lolol
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
the kinda guy who gets Chuck's respect
"Viola joined the New York Mercantile Exchange in 1982 and was its chairman from 2001 to 2004. But he owes his fortune to Virtu Financial, the electronic-trading outfit he founded in 2008. The company — which uses powerful computers to make large numbers of transactions at very high speeds — turned a profit on 1,484 of its first 1,485 days in operation. Michael Lewis, in 2014 his book “Flash Boys,” pointed to Virtu’s winning streak as evidence that high-frequency traders have a huge informational advantage over other investors. Viola took the company public in April 2015."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/12/19/five-things-to-know-about-vincent-viola-trumps-billionaire-pick-for-army-secretary/#5eefd44f6547
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
ty Morbs for the new display name
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
that is a good one
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
Should I start a thread that is just like "put your direst predictions/conjectures for the Trump years here"? Because I have a million of em but I don't want to just gum up this thread with my panicky mental chess game.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
keep it in here imo
― marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
we already have a lot of dire trump/right wing emergence/facism threads
Ok, here's my newest fear: Executive branch, via chamber of commerce, controls the Census Bureau. I'm sure there are currently some safeguards/layers of independence in place, but wouldn't it be nice if the GOP could further entrench its gerrymandered majority by fucking with the census itself?
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
BTW GOP raised fears about Obama doing the same when he tried to take more control of the census in 2009, so it's on their radar.
Then after that the GOP will rid our drinking water of fluoride.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
yeah that or a "what is your religion" question xxp
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
The Census is always a political football under best of circumstances -- historic tendency to undercount minorities, immigrants, urban populations in general. Not that anyone would want to do that on purpose for electoral advantage...
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
so, faithless electors are defecting on...Hillary? what the hell is going on here?
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
of course they are
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
Link?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
ugh smh
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
i just see one elector doing that - in maine, switching from clinton to sanders
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/19/maine-elector-says-vote-for-sanders-maine-elector-says-vote-for-sanders/rzVD3ijtgKObvn5dbvzddN/story.html
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
I mean the idea of defecting is dumb and dangerous but Trump's complete failure to divest himself or even divulge ANYTHING about his businesses or investments is (IMO) sort of the exact reason this system exists? So dumb.
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
http://komonews.com/news/local/wash-states-electoral-college-prepares-to-vote-as-protesters-gather-in-olympia
OLYMPIA, Wash. - Members of the Electoral College in Washington state cast their votes for president as protesters gathered at the Capitol on Monday.Eight of the 12 members voted for Hillary Clinton, three voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native-American elder from South Dakota.
Eight of the 12 members voted for Hillary Clinton, three voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native-American elder from South Dakota.
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
eh no it's not
i've seen reports from washington and minnesota too but i can't c/p right now
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 December 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
xpost then his vote was ruled out of order and he switched his vote to clinton.i guess there was a similar situation in minnesota, too:
Update: 2:55 p.m. ET: Another elector in Minnesota tried to defect from Clinton. Muhammad Abdurrahman, a former Sanders DNC delegate, cast a ballot for the Vermont senator but was removed from his office and replaced by an alternate who voted for Clinton as per Minnesota law before the state’s official totals were submitted.
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/19/maine-electoral-college-voter-defects-from-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Ha ha
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
this owns
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
someone was chaning from clinton to kasich
whatever, fuck all those people. looks like WW3 is breaking out. do we choose erdogan or putin? why not just eat a cyanide tablet
― akm, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
The people defecting from Clinton to Colin Powell or Kasich are doing so under the misguided belief that there are Republican electors with enough moxie to dump Trump, throwing the election to the House, and giving them a moderate Republican in third electoral place they can vote for. It's like throwing a bunch of laterals as time runs out. Everybody who thinks this situation is funny can fuck right off btw.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
Why why why why
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
tbf most of them announced their attentions ahead of time, this is not surprising
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
@newtgingrichWatch the alligators lose today as the electors vote. Draining the swamp begins in January.
@jeremyscahill I feel like this is a coded message to some sleeper cell
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
the sharks are in the jacuzzi
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
the silver lining of this electoral college news is that at least the EC will be irrelevant within a decade
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 December 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
kev can you explain (or are u zinging tombot)
― marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:48 (seven years ago) link
interesting proposal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/can-we-fire-the-electoral-college-probably-not-but-we-can-put-it-under-new-management_us_585849dce4b08debb78a8b95?otapetwizw2v2huxr
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
pave the electoral college put up a parking lot
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
Hendrik Hertzberg has been proselytizing for several plans since 2001.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/03/06/count-em-2
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
it's time the electoral college
( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
went on spring break
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR8eagnU8AAuYFm.jpg
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link
"several plans?" imho Hertzberg is a NPVIC convert like yours truly
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
in unimportant correction news I meant iirc not imho
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link
I'm thinking the scenarios he used to which he used to devote early '00s New Yorker columns before settling on the NPVIC.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
if the EC continues to benefit republicans and republican states is there any reason to believe something like the NPVIC will succeed?
― marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
Fuck these stupid electors.
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Sometimes i feel like I must be hallucinating. The Trump I am seeing cannot be the same guy who was elected president.
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
i keep seeing 'npvic' and thinking it means 'new posts very much in character'
damn ilx
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
https://thinkprogress.org/under-political-pressure-kuwait-cancels-major-event-at-four-seasons-switches-to-trumps-d-c-1f204315d513#.th4grt63c
― 龜, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
geez it's almost as if there oughta be something in the Constitution saying you aren't allowed to do that
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link
"look, i don't know what kind of midwesterns you guys have met. on the whole they seem like nice people with a reputation for being overly polite.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)"
lol
i may possibly have met one or two midwesterners in my life :)
"rushomancy puts it best but got there too soon, should have sat on that post imho
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto)"
oh, god, i can't time my zings, i have no life and even i can't keep up with this fucking thread :)
"i don't have any "ideas", and neither does anyone itt. i'm pretty pessimistic about the future and i just find the straw-grasping ("trump will be impeached, just watch", "the electoral college will be gone in 10 years", etc) laughable. finding humor in our shared doom is merely an ego defense
― k3vin k."
great, thanks for sharing, it's not like any of us are dealing with deep existential depression/dread ourselves, so it's really good to have somebody like you here to stan for nihilism.
"I want someone to run for Congress in one of these midwestern Trump districts with "kill all rich people" as their campaign slogan as a kind of test balloon.If anti elitism is what the people crave the Left shouldn't have a problem leveraging that. They invented it.
― Treeship"
'eat the rich' is catchier
"I've often thought of making a thread 'does your ilx posting history ensure that you can never run for public office'
― iatee"
i destroyed my prospects for public office way back in the usenet days. and also by not being born rich.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
I think the extent to which people become fundamentally unserious about acting in a way that at least trends toward the common good is a fairly good barometer for the extent to which 'civilization' becomes a word with no meaningful referent. So, y'now, thanks, electors, for doing your part in nudging us just that little bit closer to the precipice.
(None of this is really unexpected by me, btw. I maintain a stupid flicker of hope even though I'm pretty sure I can see where the maniacal minority is steering this bus.)
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:38 (seven years ago) link