The fact that it includes cops participating in deportations should underscore that -- most cops do NOT want to do that.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/22/donald-trump-national-fraternal-order-of-police-at/
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
I assume one reason he's loyal to his personal security is that they've signed NDAs. Does Secret Service sign NDAs?
I wonder what the liability of personal security is, vs secret service. I assume secret service shooting someone vs. private security doing it would offer distinct legal challenges.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm sure I'm overstating their ability to just shoot someone - as you say they're just very different contexts.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
Now, secret service shooting one of his private security goons ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
Don't know if I'm just being overly-cynical, but every time someone brings up some legal obstacle that would prevent Trump from doing whatever he wants, I wonder why anyone assumes he gives a shit about 'laws'.
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
Where we're going, we don't need ... laws.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
I don't get how this doesn't come off as scary. The guys with guns surrounding the President at public events are supposed to be officers of the law. These guys are loyal to Trump -- not as the holder of an office, but as a person -- and they're accountable to no one. Who's going to stop these guys from beating down a protestor and saying "he made a move towards the President?"
x1000
― a (waterface), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I assume secret service shooting someone vs. private security doing it would offer distinct legal challenges.
And now you hit on the main point. Trump's attitude towards the law is "make me." Ask yourself this: if Trump's guys beat the hell out of a peaceful protestor in public, and the city cops try to arrest them, and Trump's people refuse to comply, who backs down?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 19 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
@nytimesSylvester Stallone suggested that he was not interested in taking an arts-related job in the Trump administration
@DougHenwood Maybe Ted Nugent is available
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
This is his opportunity to cross the aisle and see if Tipper's interested.
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
It's not too latehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/BruceWillis_-_ReturnOfBruno.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Inching toward an Archduke Ferdinand moment:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gunfire-wounds-russian-ambassador-in-turkey-reports-say/2016/12/19/ae32d1c8-c608-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Today's electoral college vote is forcing me to recognize that I perhaps quite seriously have some PTSD from election night that is now being triggered. Feeling flashes of that same intense dread.
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
I was going to post about the shooting in Turkey. the photos are ... striking
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/index.html
― akm, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
This seems like the run up to a coup. A president whose own security team has a rivalrous relationship with national security forces? Come on
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
This also ties into his antagonizing of the CIA. He is trying to create factions within the government and bully different agencies into proving their loyalty to him. He may be illiterate but he knows how to exploit an advantage.
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
Really dont understand how this has gotten this far. This guy is an obvious gangster.
― Treeship, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
he really dressed sharp
― j., Monday, 19 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Ask yourself this: if Trump's guys beat the hell out of a peaceful protestor in public, and the city cops try to arrest them, and Trump's people refuse to comply, who backs down?
i don't see the cops arresting anyone in the president's security team tbh.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
If Trump is smart he'll try to stay tight with police unions. FOP endorsed him. That's one reason why I question whether he'll really go through with his deportation and sanctuary city defunding plans -- police rely on a lot of federal funding, and also generally don't want to spend their time assisting with deportations rather than focusing on local crime.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
Exactly. And once that's seen not to happen, how does that affect people's ability to dissent visibly?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
More like 'do they assist in the cover-up, suppression of on-site media, etc., or do they just maintain a respectful silence about the whole affair'?
― Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Although if I were to make a prediction, I'll bet he tries to find an equivalent of the carrier deal in deportations -- something showy and headline grabbing that will please the base but not move the needle much.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
I think every time Trump does something that presidents have not previously done, or doesn't do something that previous presidents have done, why those things have typically not been done or done becomes pretty obvious.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
@ZaidJilaniChuck Schumer congratulates Trump's pick for Secretary of the Army, who is also a Schumer donor
https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/810914918409048068
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
lolol
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
the kinda guy who gets Chuck's respect
"Viola joined the New York Mercantile Exchange in 1982 and was its chairman from 2001 to 2004. But he owes his fortune to Virtu Financial, the electronic-trading outfit he founded in 2008. The company — which uses powerful computers to make large numbers of transactions at very high speeds — turned a profit on 1,484 of its first 1,485 days in operation. Michael Lewis, in 2014 his book “Flash Boys,” pointed to Virtu’s winning streak as evidence that high-frequency traders have a huge informational advantage over other investors. Viola took the company public in April 2015."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/12/19/five-things-to-know-about-vincent-viola-trumps-billionaire-pick-for-army-secretary/#5eefd44f6547
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
ty Morbs for the new display name
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
that is a good one
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
Should I start a thread that is just like "put your direst predictions/conjectures for the Trump years here"? Because I have a million of em but I don't want to just gum up this thread with my panicky mental chess game.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
keep it in here imo
― marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
we already have a lot of dire trump/right wing emergence/facism threads
Ok, here's my newest fear: Executive branch, via chamber of commerce, controls the Census Bureau. I'm sure there are currently some safeguards/layers of independence in place, but wouldn't it be nice if the GOP could further entrench its gerrymandered majority by fucking with the census itself?
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
BTW GOP raised fears about Obama doing the same when he tried to take more control of the census in 2009, so it's on their radar.
Then after that the GOP will rid our drinking water of fluoride.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
yeah that or a "what is your religion" question xxp
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
The Census is always a political football under best of circumstances -- historic tendency to undercount minorities, immigrants, urban populations in general. Not that anyone would want to do that on purpose for electoral advantage...
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
so, faithless electors are defecting on...Hillary? what the hell is going on here?
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
of course they are
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
Link?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
ugh smh
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
i just see one elector doing that - in maine, switching from clinton to sanders
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/19/maine-elector-says-vote-for-sanders-maine-elector-says-vote-for-sanders/rzVD3ijtgKObvn5dbvzddN/story.html
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
I mean the idea of defecting is dumb and dangerous but Trump's complete failure to divest himself or even divulge ANYTHING about his businesses or investments is (IMO) sort of the exact reason this system exists? So dumb.
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
http://komonews.com/news/local/wash-states-electoral-college-prepares-to-vote-as-protesters-gather-in-olympia
OLYMPIA, Wash. - Members of the Electoral College in Washington state cast their votes for president as protesters gathered at the Capitol on Monday.Eight of the 12 members voted for Hillary Clinton, three voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native-American elder from South Dakota.
Eight of the 12 members voted for Hillary Clinton, three voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native-American elder from South Dakota.
― frogbs, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
eh no it's not
i've seen reports from washington and minnesota too but i can't c/p right now
― k3vin k., Monday, 19 December 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
xpost then his vote was ruled out of order and he switched his vote to clinton.i guess there was a similar situation in minnesota, too:
Update: 2:55 p.m. ET: Another elector in Minnesota tried to defect from Clinton. Muhammad Abdurrahman, a former Sanders DNC delegate, cast a ballot for the Vermont senator but was removed from his office and replaced by an alternate who voted for Clinton as per Minnesota law before the state’s official totals were submitted.
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/19/maine-electoral-college-voter-defects-from-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 19 December 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Ha ha
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
this owns
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
someone was chaning from clinton to kasich
whatever, fuck all those people. looks like WW3 is breaking out. do we choose erdogan or putin? why not just eat a cyanide tablet
― akm, Monday, 19 December 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link