obama benefited from not being hillary clinton, for starters. also uh healthcare xxp
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
I don't remember health care being a significant issue in 2008. Clinton had a plan too.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
eephus otm
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
no, but it's not because of her slogan, it's because obama is better at this than she is
hence him coming up w a better slogan.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:18 (seven years ago) link
did you listen to many HRC speeches? i didn't hear all that many, but she openly admitted to being a rather uninspiring pol/speaker.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:18 (seven years ago) link
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:15 PM (four minutes ago)
thought we were talking about the general election
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:16 PM (three minutes ago)
guy from san francisco agrees that people were super excited about clinton this year, lmao
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
sorry
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
I live in Cleveland and knew plenty of people -- mostly women, all ethnicities -- who were insanely excited about voting for Clinton, and openly wept when she lost, so don't make this into some "lol COASTAL ELITES" thing.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
well that just about proves it
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
so we agree, hillary clinton was a good candidate
I was referring more to this stuff k3vin
Elections are won by people with vague meaningless slogans and no concrete proposals except for "doesn't it feel good to vote for me" ALL THE TIME.
were people as pumped as they were for obama? no, but it's not because of her slogan, it's because obama is better at this than she is, but obama is better at this than ANYBODY is.
personally most people I knew were pumped for Bernie
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
I live in Wisconsin. Surrounded by people who were pumped for Bernie and then subsequently pumped for Hillary. It's not some kind of computer-killing paradox, we're talking about two people who are just not very far from each other in their vision of governance
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
as good as obama? hell no
as good as bernie sanders or joe biden or martin o'malley would have been? yes
as good as john kerry? substantially better
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
hence him coming up w a better slogan
why do you think obama "came up with" that slogan? i would be shocked if it weren't generated by the same dem party pros who came up with "i'm with her" and "stronger together." that's their job. "yes we can" is borrowed from chavez of course and axelrod says obama didn't even like it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/11414185/Barack-Obama-thought-Yes-We-Can-slogan-was-too-corny.html
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link
Lake Erie coastal elites
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:34 (seven years ago) link
could we stop this, bcz it seems we simply have different definitions/views of reality
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link
Just heard someone posit that perhaps Trump doesn't even know what the department of energy does - nuclear arsenal and all that - and that is why he picked Rick Perry, thinking it was about drilling and oil and stuff like that.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link
it wouldn't surprise me
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:41 (seven years ago) link
yes, very likely that bernie would have also lost michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
entirely possible
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
hypotheticals can't be proven
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
#stillwithher
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link
as I've said many times on this very thread already, post-mortems and straw-grasping are of next to no interest to me, would prefer we were talking about Trump's presidency
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link
Bernie won WI 56 to 43 BTW
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
xp: why do that when we could spend time talking shit about Clinton
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:51 (seven years ago) link
god you guys are fucking tiresome. primary /= general election, Bernie was never really attacked w negative ads/Trump tweets/GOP noise machine yadda yadda yadda why are we having this argument you already know are the counter-arguments
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:51 (seven years ago) link
all the counter-arguments
one definitive way that we can fight against the things we dislike about Trump's administration is to spend as much time as we possibly can bitching about how Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate and human being
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:25 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Don't be a fucking weasel.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link
https://66.media.tumblr.com/0aa778479a7280b2e4f32a08cd7ad505/tumblr_mjd4jxZvSH1qzsq0xo1_500.gif
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
The election's over. I thought we all knew.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
(don't want to seem above it tho, bernie woulda won)
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
getting back on topic: steve bannon should be skinned alive
― simply gabbing a wonderful christmastime (crüt), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
instead increase allocation of resource X to sector Y by 15%, assuming that it is correct that sector Y's historical trend of voting on issue Z continues to increase by 5% per annum, an assumption based upon a number of factors
This reminds me of the one professor who got plenty of the press this for "predicting every Presidential outcome since 1984! (...except 2000)"
Which had some sorta weird calculus like Marx trying to throw out how to figure the value of a thing thru algebra or something; This weird mechanicism historicism that doesn't nec. take into effect the multi-variable random dumbness of all human affairs at all levels.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
It's not some kind of computer-killing paradox, we're talking about two people who are just not very far from each other in their vision of governance
That is pretty clearly nonsense.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:17 (seven years ago) link
iirc, bernie just wanted to do it all but hillary understood that change is incremental
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link
next four years are gonna be a hell of an increment
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:20 (seven years ago) link
crut otm
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:21 (seven years ago) link
Increment weather a-comin'
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure Hillary herself would admit she played this wrong.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
http://www.thewrap.com/insiders-trump-team-dangles-ambassadorships-to-lure-a-list-inauguration-singers-exclusive/
President-elect Donald Trump’s team is struggling so hard to book A-list performers for his inaugural festivities that it offered ambassadorships to at least two talent bookers if they could deliver marquee names, the bookers told TheWrap.
― 龜, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:45 (seven years ago) link
Why doesn't he invite the Sage of Atlanta?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:47 (seven years ago) link
if it's kanye i quit
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:48 (seven years ago) link
honestly hope kanye performs
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link
it is going to be kanye
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link
then they'll bring Kim out and Trump will grab her by the pussy
remember when Beyoncé played George W. Bush's inauguration?
― simply gabbing a wonderful christmastime (crüt), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link
yes
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
they can't get ted nugent and kid rock and prob a bunch of country singers??
― marcos, Thursday, 15 December 2016 00:02 (seven years ago) link