Is there a thread for the rapid death of the newspaper industry?

seems like people don't want investigative reporting as much as they want to see their worldview faithfully represented in the media

OK, that's a little clearer. I'm sure for the majority of people that's the case, as about a bazillion studies of online behavior and preferences have shown. Didn't know the NYT had the monopoly on "investigative reporting" though. Will have to dig into that.

NYT doesn't have a monopoly; no one is claiming that it does.

But many hundreds of newspapers are still technically "publishing" while doing almost nothing that even resembles traditional journalism. This coast-to-coast hollowing-out of what was once a pretty robust ecosystem is disheartening. The NYT may blow dead bears at doing its job, but it is one of very few outlets that are even trying.

thanks gannett, thanks tronc, thanks wall street

i buy the PAPER nyt 3x a week (incl Sunday, total $10) and can forage one daily off subway seats if i gotta

"many of the people who are most vocal about the lack of good investigative reporting and how they're going to cancel their NYT subscriptions are also the ones who (seemingly unironically?) are promoting this dumb teen vogue op-ed that features no original reporting"

I'd like to see some data, please. some numbers telling us how many people who say they are going to cancel their NYT subscriptions are also sharing this Teen Vogue editorial. 2 of your Facebook friends? 3? We demand facts.

that "dumb teen vogue op-ed" may not be the sine qua non of courageous journalism, but it makes its point well and it was a point well worth making.

and anna wintour, who is artistic director for teen vogue parent condé nast, met with trump this morning. so...

wait what why did that happen

bcz she's AW

http://img.timeinc.net/time/2010/time100_poll_walkup/wintour_anna.jpg

http://maglomaniac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The-Velvet-Underground-002.jpg

http://images.onionstatic.com/clickhole/3502/3/16x9/640.jpg

http://www.clickhole.com/article/farewell-icon-anna-wintour-being-dragged-woods-dee-5212

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/29361/3283952-javier-bardem-anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men.jpg

a reason to go buy a damn copy of the Sunday Times

http://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-to-offer-special-puzzle-section-exclusive-to-print-readers/

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/12/stop-the-press - reinforces my points

so far since the election I've spent more on "news" than I have in years but none of it has gone to a major US daily

should we just make a new thread about what a bootlicking shit show the new york times is

Isn't there already an NYT thread? Quiddities of the ruling class or w/e

I dunno, man, if the same shit reporters keep writing shit pieces, maybe we can try shining a light on those fuckers instead of this 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' kick the world seems to be on of late.

^^^^^

http://www.cjr.org/the_feature/arts_music_critics.php?utm_content=buffer249b5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/public-editor/a-muted-alarm-bell-over-russian-election-hacking.html

So this long piece at Wired by Gabriel Snyder is a lot more even-handed (i.e. not a total exercise in slobbering all over the disruptive tech people) than I would suspect based on headline and venue:

One of the biggest initiatives Dolnick has been involved in is virtual reality. He says it started with an email he sent to Silverstein last year: “Hey man, want to see something cool?” Dolnick had just visited a VR production company called Vrse (since renamed Within) and brought one of their films, Clouds Over Sidra, into his office. The Times has since jumped into VR, partnering with Google to send its Cardboard VR viewers to all of its 1.1 million Sunday print-­edition subscribers, creating an NYT VR app that’s been downloaded more than 1 million times, and producing 16 (and counting) original films about topics as varied as displaced refugees (The Displaced), floating movie stars (Take Flight), and battling ISIS in Iraq (The Fight for Falluja). It remains a working experiment. The floating movie stars, for example: “People liked it, it got pretty good views,” Silverstein says. “But it didn’t feel like we were advancing the ball. It had a little whiff of ‘Look at us. We have VR.’”

Even as Sulzberger boasts, “We employ more journalists who can write code than any other news organization,” there are some at the Times—usually those who can’t write code—who chafe at these endless waves of experimentation. “When we’re told this is the new best practice, everyone marches in lockstep,” says one editor who asked to remain anonymous. “Facebook Live? Yep! Video? On it! The New York Times isn’t a place where people say no, and we’re flat-out exhausted.”

duh, link

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/new-york-times-digital-journalism/

Is there a chrome plug-in that ensures I don't get to see anything Charles Krauthammer contributes to WaPo, even the headline, even the suggestion that he writes for them at all? I get why he's on the masthead, for balance and all, but he's such a hateful choad I'd just like to live in ignorance of anything he ever does.

HamNo takes his turn at the piñata

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-new-york-times-is-not-built-for-this-1793008337

HamNo OTM

Who the fuck cares about columnists?

columnists

Someone should write a think piece about that. I nominate ... Friedman. Go!

yogurt and squats blogger takes aim at the gray lady

this uproar over the times' 14324th worst op-ed ever is a pretty good example of what's wrong with twitter liberalism

I probably agree with you. What did they do now?

I've had many days lately where I briefly considered reviving this thread to remind everyone the bad and failing NYT is run by lickspittles and is terrible, then remember I have better thinks to do like play Realm Grinder

seems like people don't want investigative reporting as much as they want to see their worldview faithfully represented in the media

― k3vin k., Monday, December 12, 2016 9:27 PM (four months ago)

looks like i already made the same point a few months ago. points for consistency

bret stephens writes climate skeptic piece, denizens of wokistan threaten to cancel their NYT subscriptions

my question is how woke can you really be if you haven't already canceled your NYT sub for one of the various other nonsense controversies?

Yes that's where I'm at
If you're frustrated by our current political situation why on earth are you reading the NYT much less paying for the "privilege"

there are a shocking number of people -- who work in media -- who don't know the difference between an editorial and an op-ed

There's something odd abt this @nytimes article on small biz owners cheering Trump's decision to leave Paris treaty https://t.co/8VKj3NLBCg

— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) June 3, 2017

talk about cultivating a source

https://twitter.com/GlennThrush

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R.I.P., Baltimore City Paper

http://digitaledition.citypaper.com/html5/mobile/production/default.aspx?pubid=1ddfe712-b9bd-43ff-8ce6-250b707c05ef

The two local free weeklies have shrunk massively since they stopped doing ads for escorts in the back - wondering how long they'll stick around.

The Stranger comes out every other week now and Seattle Weekly is no longer going to be an alt weekly. I haven't picked up either in print more than three times in 5 years in the city. The Seattle Times is the private mouthpiece of hateful anti-tax dipshits that accidentally seems to employ journalists as cover, which I do not consider it my civic duty to support. The best journalism in Seattle is done by bloggers.

milo z hits it right. The decline of classifieds has been near-fatal; adult stuff going elsewhere is a killer.

The NYT may blow dead bears at doing its job, but it is one of very few outlets that are even trying.

― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, December 13, 2016

Still as true as the day it was written.

We were expecting there to be some pain with the sale of @LAWeekly. But we weren't expecting the Red Wedding. That's how deep the cuts are. 1/

— Mara Shalhoup (@mshalhoup) November 29, 2017

Mara Shalhoup is a great editor (I worked with her in a sidelong way when I did editing for the Chicago Reader) and what's in store for the LA Weekly does not look good.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/brian-calle-la-weeklys-new-honcho-is-an-oc-weekly-scariest-person-8565478

However I'd be remiss if I didn't counterpoint her claim about the music editor with this:

Reading eulogies of the LA Weekly where people are praising the two most recent music editors like pic.twitter.com/5uxi5Pj6F6

— Kat Bee (@katbeee) November 30, 2017

(Also the actual best music editor out there is Philip Montoro.)

(That Kat Bee tweet is a thread, by the way.)

maura, thanks for that background.

When I worked for Washington City Paper it was still owned by the Chicago Reader? (On and off approximately 96-00?). Everybody knew print was on its way out but there were still islands of relevance and we were having a great time partying on the wreckage.

Repeating: All editors of @LAWeekly just got fired. One staff writer kept. Ex-editor @mshalhoup is tweeting her individual thanks. Gotta assume new mystery owners have a shadow staff waiting out in the parking lot.

— Kevin Roderick (@LAObserved) November 29, 2017