^^ Let alone all those legitimate reasons, Putin nationally has far more to gain by being a hardman towards the US instead of making up and being friends.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link
now seems like an appropriate time to know the difference between hamas and hezbollah
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUe4sFKvJUY
― Treeship, Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
the hamas/hezbollah thing was from september 2015
― simply gabbing a wonderful christmastime (crüt), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
And I'm sure, now that the time is appropriate, Trump can totally tell the difference now.
― The Pleasure Principal (Old Lunch), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
it's depressing that literally every single straw we've grasped at over the last month has turned out to be a bust. we lost almost every important election, the recounts won't change anything, the cabinet appointments are terrifying, trump hasn't toned down his message and if anything seems more insane and unqualified than he did before the election. now ppl are clinging to the shred of hope that an electoral college largely composed of people who are fanatically loyal to a party that values its own power over everything will somehow do the right thing and throw the election to the person most hated by the party base. and i'm still hoping for that too! when you're in a situation this dangerous you try every strategem you can think of, no matter how ridiculous it is. maybe they'll impeach him, i keep thinking. but if republicans don't give a shit that a hostile foreign power intervened to help elect their guy, they're not going to care about anything he does in office enough to impeach him. maybe they'd impeach him if he raised taxes.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:49 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think it's really, really important to get dug in for a long, challenging fight right now and not grasp at straws. Bc yeah, Campbell, recount, investigation of Russia changing things, these are all extreme longshots/hail maries. Even impeachment, which seems slightly more probable than the others, is kind of out of our hands and only going to happen if he displeases the GOP establishment.
So I think we have to think about how to protect our own, obstruct, win seats in 2017 and 2018 elections or at least hold ground, shift public opinion, etc. I'm not going to completely knock any approach people are trying, but I'm a little concerned about desperation and unstrategic flailing around and screaming playing into their hands.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
this remains essential reading;
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
Aside from the arguments over what might and might not have happened, the whole election campaign exposed Eichenwald as a fantasist who knows nothing about Russia. Take anything he has written with massive emphasis handfuls of salt.
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Not sure why my phone added emphasis there!
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
I took a call.I heard the call.This was a call.I didn't make the call.And it was a call.Very short call.It was a very nice call.I can't take a call.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, December 11, 2016 11:11 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Could only read this in Seinfeld's voice.
― Evan, Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
:)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
US and Russia together go to war with Iran in order to split Iran's oil reserves
This would be a much bigger fiasco than the Soviets in Afghanistan or US in Iraq. It just plain would not work irl.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
I imagine "emphasis handfuls" to be the technical term for that gesture conductors make during crescendos like they're deadlifting the planet by her bazooms
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
Lol
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Sunday, 11 December 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Did not know! Thanks - it's written in a tone of such authority.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
It's pretty insane to watch Joe Walsh slowly grow a conscience in the wake of all this Russia information.
https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/807703919069630464
― I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
i wonder how many more of those that supported trump in the election are already coming to terms with having been swindled
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
3?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
yeah none
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
oh OK thx
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
There's a whole tumblr for it y'all
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
sorry, an insignificant number of people
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
stop the straw-grasping. quit looking for silver linings. get ready for a fight
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah, after 17 months of campaigning it isn't like people didn't know who they voted for
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
quit looking for silver linings. get ready for a fight
― k3vin k., Sunday, December 11, 2016 2:49 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 11 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
Don't worry about Trump voters with buyer's remorse. Fight for your sick aunt's Medicaid benefits.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 December 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link
Teen Vogue=Teen Woke
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-america
― a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 December 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
Despite their 60-seat deficit heading into 2016, the Democrats didn’t appear to do much candidate recruiting except in the most competitive districts. In Texas, Hillary Clinton won in a congressional district where Democrats didn’t even field a challenger. Numbers, not potential, guided the DCCC efforts. Instead of looking for possibilities, or trying to create them, the committee only paid attention to the districts that looked viable on spreadsheets.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-the-democratic-party-lost-its-way-214514
― curmudgeon, Monday, 12 December 2016 04:33 (seven years ago) link
Thanks, Obama
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 December 2016 04:54 (seven years ago) link
Thanks Pelosi
― curmudgeon, Monday, 12 December 2016 05:06 (seven years ago) link
More like thx wasserman-schulz
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 05:47 (seven years ago) link
yeah, i realize the article was about the DCCC but it was weird to CTRL+F schulz and come up with 0 results
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 December 2016 05:50 (seven years ago) link
thanks... ben ray luján?
― simply gabbing a wonderful christmastime (crüt), Monday, 12 December 2016 05:54 (seven years ago) link
i should have moved there and run
― Treeship, Monday, 12 December 2016 05:57 (seven years ago) link
July '96
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 December 2016 12:46 (seven years ago) link
freaking out about the weakness of the current democratic party is... it's a thing, i guess, but it's so remediable. some vanishingly small proportion of the electorate votes in the primaries. americans have given tremendous amounts of cash to a candidate as terrible as dr. jill stein, way more than during the election, because she's doing something the democratic party refuse to do. if the democratic party continues to refuse to listen to what we're saying, there's pretty good evidence that we have the power to change that. there's less evidence, but still decent evidence, that making that change will give us a better shot against the republicans. the biggest problem will be just fucking surviving the next two years.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:05 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/democrats-donald-trump-232491
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link
I realized this morning why Trump thinks the daily intelligence briefings are stale from day to day. It's because they're ordered on topic area and mostly focused on specific regions of interest- and his attention span can't get past the heading. "I heard about the South China Sea yesterday."
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 December 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link
given that his objection to the daily intelligence briefing is that 'he's, like, a smart person' i genuinely suspect that he thinks it's an actual test of his intelligence every day rather than, y'know, information which might help govern the country
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:18 (seven years ago) link
'they want me to take these iq tests every morning rather than letting me get on with making america great again!'
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-bomber-flight-send-message-donald-trump-taiwan-a7468021.html
everything is fine
― 龜, Monday, 12 December 2016 13:20 (seven years ago) link
i hate to do the internecine bitching but man the violent and revolutionary rhetoric sucks. i'm not gonna say i don't sympathize or haven't had moments of "TEAR IT ALL DOWN" but you know talk to a therapist about it, don't post it on the public internet. even if you don't wind up getting busted for it, stuff like that can and will be used against us pretty easily.
sorry for getting all boring but i think a lot about the roman revolution, which octavian succeeded at by bringing about significant reforms which were _not_ portrayed as "revolutionary" but as a restoration of the ancient system. i'm not saying that the reforms we should be after are the same as octavian's (not super jazzed about the prospect of an American Empire), but strategically i feel like we should try to model ourselves after the winners like octavian, not the losers like marc antony.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:23 (seven years ago) link
reforms which were _not_ portrayed as "revolutionary" but as a restoration of the ancient system
so...make rome great again?
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 12 December 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
It's a strange world we live in...never thought I'd see Establishment Dems go all HUAC, let alone Infowars! When Joy Reid and Joe Walsh are on the same page, we are in truly batshit territory.
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:27 (seven years ago) link
So China flew that plane before the Taiwan call?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 December 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link
"Treason" is not a word I would've imagined trending among Portlandia types a year ago.
I wonder if Trump's boredom with repetition will extend to "Hail to the Chief," saluting the Marine detail, etc.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 December 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Whatever the deal is with Russian interference, I can't really argue with it being investigated, and I hope the investigation does some damage to Trump and GOP credibility.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 12 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
this is such a weird claim, as if basic matters of state were something one leaves behind past a certain lefterly point on the political spectrum
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 12 December 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
LOL but its Morbs, what do you expect?
― Herpes Bizarre (stevie), Monday, 12 December 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
the real villain always has to be dems or popular modern comedy
― Herpes Bizarre (stevie), Monday, 12 December 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link