Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

democrats aren't going to do a goddamn thing. bet on it.

explain "treated like a berniebro" - you mean argued with?

the Clinton campaign allowed surrogates to point out the fact that Putin was obviously in the tank for Trump, she brought it up at the debate, and made as big a deal out of it as they did anything else - then went on to win the popular vote by over 2%

xpost I assume it means "treated like their objections were insincere and based only in their opposition to Clinton," but I can't check because you could not get me to re-open the relevant thread(s) for less than five hundred dollars.

yep, although i didn't mean just ILX, i meant pretty much everywhere, at least left leaning circles

The Obama administration's approach to addressing our numerous longstanding issues with LAC nations hasn't been spotless or perfect but I would definitely not characterize it as silence and eyerolling

The fact that the big election fucking-with that people can point to most recently is from 2009, after a military coup, when we called for new elections in an attempt to head off a protracted civil war, is actually a pretty good vindication of this administration's foreign policy, but again, what do I know

CNN giving trump/russia gaslighters an open forum rn. Host is giving these evil clowns stern looks but it might not be enough to save the republic.

I want to bet against will but I have zero confidence in current Dem leadership to try anything crazy. What happens when you have to fight crazy with crazy and you only have Very Serious People?

Asked and answered

GOP shuts down the govt, outright fucking steals a SCOTUS nom, goes to the mat on BHENGHAZII!!1 and all they do is get rewarded. fucking unbelievable.

oh, and tries to hush up evidence that Russia meddled in our election.

but hey, there are two sides to this, right MSM?

maybe Trump will pivot and become Real Presidetnnal!

Tomasky kind of otm - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/10/world-war-iii-democrats-and-america-vs-trump-and-russia.html

I know I often say “imagine if Hillary had done this,” but in this case, it’s not a mere hypothetical. Imagine the situation were reversed, and this lurid right-wing dystopic fantasy were playing out before our eyes—remembering, I should note, that Trump earlier in the campaign encouraged Russia to do more hacking of Clinton! What would the Republicans be doing? A few things, I think:
They’d certainly be calling the election illegitimate and would declare Clinton an illegitimate president.
They’d call on the electors to seat Trump, citing—and properly, by the way—the Founders’ view that electors existed for precisely this purpose.
Noting that Clinton had (in this hypothetical) earlier egged Russia on, they would be accusing Clinton of being an agent of a foreign government; that is, of treason.
They’d be so legally brilliant and diabolical that it’s far beyond my capacity even to imagine.
And what would rank-and-file conservatives be doing? Hard-shell Trumpists? Richard Spencer? The good folks at Stormfront?
I have no idea, frankly, why we continue to eschew disruptive tactics such as the above, other than maybe that the ~80% of this country that didn't vote for Trump is still mostly waiting for Obama to lead us out of this mess (hint: he doesn't know what to do either)

― El Tomboto, Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

isn't this literally what the left is doing right now?

i mean the people with the real power probably have to wait for some hard evidence to *do* anything but every left leaning person and journalist seems to be making a big deal out of this afaict. and rightfully so

guess someone has to say it but...also...the CIA has been known to be wrong from time to time too.

Yes. I am.....uneasy praising the credibility of the CIA.

Don't reject an ally.

friend of mine framed this to me as FBI vs CIA/NSA infighting, which I think is a useful lens to view it through

FBI already pissed Dems off, so the CIA/NSA has a lot to gain by currying favor with Dems w/an eye towards midterms or 2020

i feel really queasy about midterms and 2020

there has been much already written about the FBI being 'trumpland' and the CIA presumably being...not. Which I can see, since I'd imagine the CIA have a more wide-ranging view of the world and Trump seems to be fundamentally against that.

I'm concerned there is going to be a massive, unprecedented terrorist attack while he's in office that we're not going to catch because he will have gutted or destroyed the CIA out of petulance, and that in turn will lead to an even bigger powergrab on his part.

I'm talking dirty bomb or some shit in the middle of america

that's very specific

but maybe it will happen

FBI already pissed Dems off, so the CIA/NSA has a lot to gain by currying favor with Dems w/an eye towards midterms or 2020

it is unwise to presume that these institutions give two shits about which party anybody belongs to, or who is "in charge"
they sure don't like being fucked with, though

also "infighting" between the FBI and other three-letter agencies is really more like that kid on the playground who was always trying to start shit and would have gotten pummelled if anybody ever lowered themselves to the occasion, but isn't worth getting in trouble for and besides we all know nothing will ever shut them up

I appreciate your perspective here, thanks

gallows lols at this meme making the rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzWEvIYXgAIHLyb.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUe4sFKvJUY

http://www.nola.com/elections/index.ssf/2016/12/john_kennedy_louisianas_next_u.html

foster campbell just got beat handily in lousiana guess we shouldn't have expected anything different

no, we should not have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn8-4tjPxD8

It was a super longshot. Early polls actually had a lot of Clinton voters likely to switch to Kennedy -- guessing maybe that means moderate republicans or conservative democrats who weren't keen on trump. Kennedy is apparently relatively moderate.

not sure why stevie is there but i'll take it

Lot of people right now claiming the russia hack thing somehow "invalidates" the election. I really don't get how a foreign power leaking some emails invalidates an election. Not saying it isn't a concern, shouldn't be investigated etc., but think people are grasping at straws with this. No evidence that they actually tampered with the vote so far afaik.

yup

Eh, it further invalidates Trump's suitability for the office. It corroborates and emphasizes the accusations that he's a Kremlin water carrier who takes policy advice from a foreign adversary, and all the useful idiots he's suggesting for cabinet slots will do the same, as some of them have already made clear in public appearances.

The election seems valid to me, the better candidate won by 2.83M votes and counting,

thing that has struck out the most to me about the russian thing- and it probably shouldn't - is mcconnell's brazen partisanship and opportunism

but yeah talk of the vote being hacked somehow is like if your stereo cassette walkman craps out and eats your mixtape halfway through and you go googling for "walkman malfunction" and read about some dudes at MIT wiping out recordings wirelessly with magnetrons and EMP and so you whip out your Galaxy S7 Edge and Tweet MY WALKMAN: HACKED?!?!?

xp cf. my arresting metaphor for Mitch McConnell upthread.

omg we need fucking revolution in the streets. we're not gonna survive 4 years of this.

Time should cave to his whingeing and take back his Person of the Year, give him Man of the Year ... in the back pages of the same issue that they give Person of the Year to a deserving woman.

sorry for the flip and irrelevant post, I'm days behind and in total denial that any of this is real.

I like your idea though

ultimate troll move: give POTY to hillary throwing two middle fingers up on the cover

this week i showed my government students the ava duvernay doc "13TH" and we read a chapter from the new jim crow. they're doing self-directed projects next year. the cool thing about teaching government is that its not a state-tested subject and also my school more or less lets me do whatever i want bc they have bigger fish to fry.

liberals becoming huge CIA fans... takin' my yuks where i can get em

it's certainly weird

strange bedfellows

foster campbell just got beat handily in lousiana guess we shouldn't have expected anything different

― 龜, Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:36 AM (two hours ago)

it's depressing that literally every single straw we've grasped at over the last month has turned out to be a bust. we lost almost every important election, the recounts won't change anything, the cabinet appointments are terrifying, trump hasn't toned down his message and if anything seems more insane and unqualified than he did before the election. now ppl are clinging to the shred of hope that an electoral college largely composed of people who are fanatically loyal to a party that values its own power over everything will somehow do the right thing and throw the election to the person most hated by the party base. and i'm still hoping for that too! when you're in a situation this dangerous you try every strategem you can think of, no matter how ridiculous it is. maybe they'll impeach him, i keep thinking. but if republicans don't give a shit that a hostile foreign power intervened to help elect their guy, they're not going to care about anything he does in office enough to impeach him. maybe they'd impeach him if he raised taxes.

Should we blame Nelly The Elephant for hyping up the Trump, Trump, Trump?

& now i guess it's all one great big circus.
So run away.

Innit?

good mourning!