Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

this guy is like a cartoon mobster though. we never had a gop president like that before.

treeship you need to lie down, bud, i say this sincerely

if anyone is going to "stroke out" it is going to be you. relax.

Bolton apparently deputy SoS?

old lunch was the one praying for a trump stroke ftr.

but yeah, i am trying to devote less energy to thinking about this. xp

I know there are much more insane things to focus on, but has there been any commentary about how gross it is that Trump is doing a victory lap in states that he won instead of making even the tiniest effort to acknowledge the rest of the country? I mean, y'know, totally in character and unsurprising as hell, but still.

he's a fuckhead that's how he's going to act

To be clear, I haven't been praying for a Trump stroke per se. I'm praying for his imminent death by natural causes. A stroke would be fine but really any ailment that takes him quickly and painlessly is a-ok in my book.

i hope the fake tan stuff he's been using turns out to be highly toxic

I've made it a habit in my life to never actively wish another person ill, and certainly to never wish that someone die. But, well, you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXxAGPOB4I

" I'm praying for his imminent death by natural causes" I'd be happy with an unnatural cause too

I suppose that means the secret service is going to visit me now

I hope the great leader lives 1,000 centuries

Let me tell you guys I really can't WAIT to find out how the Sunday Shows handle this Russian shit

most likely they'll handle it with kid gloves. the topic will be raised. the trump surrogates will deny and decry and shout "lies! all lies!" and then the host will move on to the next topic.

Tomasky kind of otm - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/10/world-war-iii-democrats-and-america-vs-trump-and-russia.html

I know I often say “imagine if Hillary had done this,” but in this case, it’s not a mere hypothetical. Imagine the situation were reversed, and this lurid right-wing dystopic fantasy were playing out before our eyes—remembering, I should note, that Trump earlier in the campaign encouraged Russia to do more hacking of Clinton! What would the Republicans be doing? A few things, I think:

• They’d certainly be calling the election illegitimate and would declare Clinton an illegitimate president.
• They’d call on the electors to seat Trump, citing—and properly, by the way—the Founders’ view that electors existed for precisely this purpose.
• Noting that Clinton had (in this hypothetical) earlier egged Russia on, they would be accusing Clinton of being an agent of a foreign government; that is, of treason.
• They’d be so legally brilliant and diabolical that it’s far beyond my capacity even to imagine.

And what would rank-and-file conservatives be doing? Hard-shell Trumpists? Richard Spencer? The good folks at Stormfront?

I have no idea, frankly, why we continue to eschew disruptive tactics such as the above, other than maybe that the ~80% of this country that didn't vote for Trump is still mostly waiting for Obama to lead us out of this mess (hint: he doesn't know what to do either)

yeah the dems need to go hard on this, i have zero faith that they will do anything

it makes me wonder what portion of the country thinks favorably about Putin and Russia. I can't imagine it's a lot.

Make no mistake, yesterday’s Washington Post revelation that the CIA has concluded that Russia was actively trying to elect Donald Trump as opposed to just “meddling with” the election, is a nuclear bombshell.

i'm all for more attention on this issue, but as josh marshall pointed out yesterday, it's weird to read all the coverage pretending that we didn't already know all of this. the news that russia was involved came out months ago. of COURSE they wanted Trump to win.

Yeah this is kinda like the Snowden "revelations" - just confirming officially shit I thought everybody already knew

3 months ago, news came out that a high-ranking official was meddling with the admission committee at Yale

*crickets*

yesterday, it was confirmed that the high-ranking official was meddling with the admission committee...on BEHALF OF HER DAUGHTER'S ACCEPTANCE AT YALE

DEFCON11111111

Sad lol

Countdown to Trump tweeting some dumb shit to push this out of the headlines...

also it's something that everyone responds to with silence or eyerolling, but

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-us-has-been-meddling-in-other-countries-elections-for-a-century-it-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd

anyone who mentioned clinton's involvement in the 2009 honduras election was treated like a berniebro, but maybe that's part of why she decided not to press the russian/trump connection too hard back in september? i mean, obviously her campaign did take note of it and mention on it on occasion but you'd think it'd be a bombshell story

democrats aren't going to do a goddamn thing. bet on it.

explain "treated like a berniebro" - you mean argued with?

the Clinton campaign allowed surrogates to point out the fact that Putin was obviously in the tank for Trump, she brought it up at the debate, and made as big a deal out of it as they did anything else - then went on to win the popular vote by over 2%

xpost I assume it means "treated like their objections were insincere and based only in their opposition to Clinton," but I can't check because you could not get me to re-open the relevant thread(s) for less than five hundred dollars.

yep, although i didn't mean just ILX, i meant pretty much everywhere, at least left leaning circles

The Obama administration's approach to addressing our numerous longstanding issues with LAC nations hasn't been spotless or perfect but I would definitely not characterize it as silence and eyerolling

The fact that the big election fucking-with that people can point to most recently is from 2009, after a military coup, when we called for new elections in an attempt to head off a protracted civil war, is actually a pretty good vindication of this administration's foreign policy, but again, what do I know

CNN giving trump/russia gaslighters an open forum rn. Host is giving these evil clowns stern looks but it might not be enough to save the republic.

I want to bet against will but I have zero confidence in current Dem leadership to try anything crazy. What happens when you have to fight crazy with crazy and you only have Very Serious People?

Asked and answered

GOP shuts down the govt, outright fucking steals a SCOTUS nom, goes to the mat on BHENGHAZII!!1 and all they do is get rewarded. fucking unbelievable.

oh, and tries to hush up evidence that Russia meddled in our election.

but hey, there are two sides to this, right MSM?

maybe Trump will pivot and become Real Presidetnnal!

Tomasky kind of otm - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/10/world-war-iii-democrats-and-america-vs-trump-and-russia.html

I know I often say “imagine if Hillary had done this,” but in this case, it’s not a mere hypothetical. Imagine the situation were reversed, and this lurid right-wing dystopic fantasy were playing out before our eyes—remembering, I should note, that Trump earlier in the campaign encouraged Russia to do more hacking of Clinton! What would the Republicans be doing? A few things, I think:
They’d certainly be calling the election illegitimate and would declare Clinton an illegitimate president.
They’d call on the electors to seat Trump, citing—and properly, by the way—the Founders’ view that electors existed for precisely this purpose.
Noting that Clinton had (in this hypothetical) earlier egged Russia on, they would be accusing Clinton of being an agent of a foreign government; that is, of treason.
They’d be so legally brilliant and diabolical that it’s far beyond my capacity even to imagine.
And what would rank-and-file conservatives be doing? Hard-shell Trumpists? Richard Spencer? The good folks at Stormfront?
I have no idea, frankly, why we continue to eschew disruptive tactics such as the above, other than maybe that the ~80% of this country that didn't vote for Trump is still mostly waiting for Obama to lead us out of this mess (hint: he doesn't know what to do either)

― El Tomboto, Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

isn't this literally what the left is doing right now?

i mean the people with the real power probably have to wait for some hard evidence to *do* anything but every left leaning person and journalist seems to be making a big deal out of this afaict. and rightfully so

guess someone has to say it but...also...the CIA has been known to be wrong from time to time too.

Yes. I am.....uneasy praising the credibility of the CIA.

Don't reject an ally.

friend of mine framed this to me as FBI vs CIA/NSA infighting, which I think is a useful lens to view it through

FBI already pissed Dems off, so the CIA/NSA has a lot to gain by currying favor with Dems w/an eye towards midterms or 2020

i feel really queasy about midterms and 2020

there has been much already written about the FBI being 'trumpland' and the CIA presumably being...not. Which I can see, since I'd imagine the CIA have a more wide-ranging view of the world and Trump seems to be fundamentally against that.

I'm concerned there is going to be a massive, unprecedented terrorist attack while he's in office that we're not going to catch because he will have gutted or destroyed the CIA out of petulance, and that in turn will lead to an even bigger powergrab on his part.

I'm talking dirty bomb or some shit in the middle of america

that's very specific

but maybe it will happen

FBI already pissed Dems off, so the CIA/NSA has a lot to gain by currying favor with Dems w/an eye towards midterms or 2020

it is unwise to presume that these institutions give two shits about which party anybody belongs to, or who is "in charge"
they sure don't like being fucked with, though

also "infighting" between the FBI and other three-letter agencies is really more like that kid on the playground who was always trying to start shit and would have gotten pummelled if anybody ever lowered themselves to the occasion, but isn't worth getting in trouble for and besides we all know nothing will ever shut them up