pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNspHRNQuGY

I dunno, dance music, more than rock music, has a specific FUNCTION and I don't think it's totally out of line to suggest that having an understanding of it means engaging with it in the actual place that it's intended.

young woman yells at club

xpost the kitchen at 2 am with your best friends.

don't go to the clubs where people yell at you though. that's rule number one.

fwiw i get that clubs can be deeply unsafe spaces and i don't frequent them myself but surely they're just as valid a music delivery system as earbuds, surround sound, youtube thru laptop speakers, live performance etc

still don't think an albums list by design is going to reflect the club as much as a list of dj mixes and singles maybe

hoo boy this is a fun and not at all loaded subject

earbuds are a terrible music delivery system

maybe not "terrible" but certainly not "ideal"

lol yes dance music can only truly be appreciated by extroverts with a budget

thrilling revive today

i prefer edibles

kinda weird to talk about clubs when the first two albums on the list are Aphex Twin and Autechre

xxxpost I would say, without hesitation, that anyone who reviews music for a living needs to listen on something better than earbuds, yes

I heard earbuds are bad for your ears.

e-mail link downloads that music reviewers get sound like shit. but maybe they don't notice if they are listening to them with earbuds...

that's fair but what % of music writers earn a living doing it xxp

whiney owns beats y/n

kinda weird to talk about clubs when the first two albums on the list are Aphex Twin and Autechre

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly and this is why a number of people have noted that maybe lex should have acknowledged that this was a list of electronic music not necessarily dance music whatever else one might want to say about the list's merits

Sonos, boff

the discussion about experiencing music thru clubs as it pertains to year end listing is a thorny one because if the implication is that you will go out to clubs, experience music, then curate it into a list then... that takes a lot of effort! like, the way i see people experience new music in clubs can be like, you have to take out your phone and record the song as a voice memo so you don't forget what it sounds like. maybe your friend knows it or you know the DJ and can ask to find out what it is, but you might just have to hope to hear it a few more times so that you kind of just find out what it is... some other way, like if it's a track that sort of floats up to the top on beatport or something. but otherwise it's a very ephemeral experience. you really have to hunt shit down, there's no lyrics to google or hooks to shazam. so anyway i don't begrudge any non-professional dance music writers for not doing all that.

that said it can be a very rewarding experience :-)

Or you live in, say, Hoboken so your local clubs only represent douchebags and terrible music

dont be mean to yo la tengo

They moved out of town all is lost

Steve Shelley still lives here but he's an enabler of the current version of Mark Kozelek so...

yo wtf really? xp

I feel invested in dance music having a function and a context, but also so detached from it because of where I live. So I don't think it renders anyone's opinion invalid if they aren't able or willing to go out to clubs, but on the very rare occasions that I do get experience good music on a soundsystem and in the company of other humans, it always makes an impact and realigns how I think about it.

a club where you can't hear the music sounds terrible!

yo wtf really? xp

― flappy bird, Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:22 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah moved to Manhattan

lol yes dance music can only truly be appreciated by extroverts with a budget

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, December 8, 2016 6:44 PM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is funny considering the history of dance clubs as havens for the marginalised (also "introverts with no disposable income" is more my experience of fellow club-goers)

this isn't about anyone's specific lived experience though, do what you want. but a list of electronic or dance music that leans old, established and away from the dancefloor is BORING, even if it is a mere albums list

does the wire still call it's dance section "critical beats"

For introverts with a budget

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51J9M39QXVL.jpg

its!!! sorry xp to myself

does the wire still call it's dance section "critical beats"

― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:32 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they got rid of this like ten years ago dude

ok thats why i asked lol, thats when i last subscribed

"Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger captures the band clicking on all cylinders."

what is this bullshit

a cliché

it's firing

it's a shitty mixed metaphor - cylinders do not click

unless they're referring to a different kind of cylinder than the kind used in combustion engines, in which case its even more wtf just sloppy, bad writing

A clicking sound from the engine generally means something bad in my experience

In which case the review is correct

Um, I think the writer pretty much fingered the sound of a bad motor

google "timing belt" to solve this one

i was just listening to Lone Star's *Firing On All Six* earlier today. great album. better band than soundgarden.

Um, I think the writer pretty much fingered the sound of a bad motor

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's a stretch, and maybe you're just joking, but I guess that could be it? Like, terrible punning-drunken-Uncle play on the album title? Surely not. err...right?

also was this album actually good? I have almost zero recollection of it beyond the singles

yes, but tbh I way prefer Superunknown

Clicking usually means you have a bad starter. Or maybe it's an electric car, and it's just clicking "on?" But wait, then it would have no cylinders. Hmm.

everything post-Hiro Yamamoto sucks imo

if you google "click on all cylinders" it seems to be used pretty widely, esp. in newspaper headlines. i'd usually seen "fire on all cylinders" but also who cares