Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

yeah I've stopped bothering w that angle

The Sad Truth: The Cost Of Stein/Clinton's #Wisconsin Vote Recount Could Have Saved At Least 5,000 Children's Lives https://t.co/sMNQJDfppt

— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) December 4, 2016

somehow Trump's offspring are even worse than he is

btw a thousand times this

@DougHenwood
you’re not going to win the political battle by fact-checking Trump - people did it with Reagan and it went nowhere

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2016 12:23 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I've stopped bothering w that angle

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 5, 2016 1

been saying it since October

i wonder how many lives the trump family could save by giving all their money away and never appearing in public ever again

I made fun of all the "fact checking" a lot during the elections. I still think it should be done, but no one should have the illusion that if we just do enough work to get *the facts* out there it will fix things, or that this election could have been won if only *the facts* were put out even more.

@tinyrevolution
When you ponder the strategy behind Donald Trump's tweeting, etc., consider this wisdom from Egypt's Gamal Nasser

"The genius of you Americans is that you never made clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which makes us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them we are missing."

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2016 11:15 AM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. Some people want to ascribe a clever and inscrutable strategy to Trump's moves because they have an inherent need to leap great distances in resolving cognitive dissonance. It's this need rather than his nonexistent cleverness which has helped him to succeed against all odds. You aren't engaging with an incurious dullard, you see, but rather peeling away the layers of illusory crass self-involvement that obscure the enigmatic sage at the core of his being.

I'm starting a nonprofit to ensure that every household in America receives a complimentary copy of Being There.

has this been shared yet?

http://www.injusticeboycott.com/

yeah there's a thread about it

I'm really disappointed in how dumb it is already

I am sort of ambivalent about it

I mean yes the SFPD is fucked up and should be held accountable/change policies etc. but ... idk there seem like way bigger problems on the nat'l level that aren't going to be helped by boycotting SF. I dunno how I would even begin to boycott my own city.

boycott all corporations headquartered in SF and NYC, lol

like Twitter

don't go to the bank, don't use the internet, don't partake in any entertainment or media

Shaun King seems like a well-meaning but non-brilliant guy.

p much

keep tabs on the boycott via carrier pigeon

i am currently boycotting civilization, except for comcast

join me until any remaining savings are gone, and then we will move forward from there

They aren't recommending any direct boycott activity at the moment beyond Defund DAPL. Today was just a warning shot to NY and SF indicating a 43-day countdown until specific boycott recommendations will be disseminated. It remains to be seen how it all plays out but I don't have any issues as of yet. We'll see how it all plays out, I guess.

I'm generally disinclined to pick it apart too much because, however dubious you may find this particular messenger or message, it's a concerted effort to corral people into doing something in hopes of effecting positive change.

yeah I'm not begrudging the motivation

yeah, I'm all about any attempts at motivating people at this point.

what do you guys think about this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democrats-can-look-forward-to-the-coming-republican-era-being-a-disaster-for-republican-voters/?utm_term=.76f40ce3196b

p smart imo

you really think a post-fact republican electorate is somehow going to realise that the reason their lives have gotten worse after trump takes power is because of the people they voted for and not democrat interference / immigrants / a vengeful god / whatever bullshit their Facebook feed tells them?

no but from a policy level it makes sense to preserve things where possible

even if it falls on deaf ears/preaching to the choir, still necessary (if far from sufficient) to 'fact-check' Trump IMO

For blue state Democrats, this is obviously a second-best, half-a-loaf solution that still leaves half the country — alas, along with the federally dependent blue states of Maryland and Virginia and the District — to experience the full impact of the Trump Revolution. Care would also have to be taken to assure that the higher tax rates in blue states don’t prompt too many companies and wealthy taxpayers to flee.

Also, though Virginia voted blue, and has a Democratic governor, it has a Republican led legislature, so all of those things formerly done by the Feds that the writer says blue states can now do themselves if Republican health care plans, etc pass, will not get passed in Virginia. I don't think its going to be so simple for blue Dem states to pick up the ball, or for Dems to get a message out to those in red states that things are now worse because of the new Washington administration.

I'm not going to give King shit over the idea of a boycott, but I don't think this is a productive or realistic way to go about one.

even if it falls on deaf ears/preaching to the choir, still necessary (if far from sufficient) to 'fact-check' Trump IMO

― flopson, Monday, December 5, 2016 1:22 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just seems depressing to think that the POTUS would spread false information, and no one would fact-check him, because strategically we don't think it's going to work.

my take away from King and the WP article is that there ARE ways to fight back, but as curmudgeon says it won't be simple and will involve lots of resourcefulness and cooperations. I'm getting tired of all the sky is falling/hopelessness and want to start looking for solutions, personally.

you really think a post-fact republican electorate is somehow going to realise that the reason their lives have gotten worse after trump takes power is because of the people they voted for

maybe not 100% of them, but if 20% of them do that could be enough to swing the swing states back in the right direction

not saying he shouldn't be fact-checked -- how often does he tell the truth per day? -- but don't expect it to be his downfall

http://blueamerica.crooksandliars.com/howie-klein/why-its-not-all-gloom-and-doom-around

Howie Klein's Blue America pac funds left-wing candidates in the house.

On his blog and twitter he is doom and gloom though, grumbling about Republicans, corporate Dems, rural centrist Dems, the House Dem progressive caucus for including a Silicon valley Dem rep who he says is not progressive, Pelosi, etc.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/

xp- I don't think anyone's expecting that

When I was a kid and "political twitter" was called Usenet, I was in a group with Klein that argued with conservatives in the waning days of the Clinton era. He seemed like a good dude if pretty high-strung, especially about Israel IIRC.
Somewhere I have a mix CD he sent to everyone with a lewd electronic song that samples Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing "Sex With Your Parents."

^^ said in the voice of Linda Hamilton voice-over in Terminator 2.

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing "Sex With Your Parents."

best duet of all time imo

also ty for new screenname

thank god for quotation marks

bizarro, your second post predictably acted on the idea planted in my head by your first post. Bravo.

https://twitter.com/kalebhorton/status/805855988263698432

um

nothing on pat mcrory losing (and finally conceding?)

liked this article:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/12/why-pat-mccrory-lost-and-what-it-means-in-trumps-america.html

I'm embarrassed to say this is the first I've heard of Moral Mondays. But when I googled and a Redstate article started off with "North Carolina's icon of rotund pomposity, “Reverend” William Barber, has lumbered forth to lead another “Moral Monday” protest in Raleigh..." I figured if it pisses them off it must be good. Sign me up.

Still would love to know how McCrory lost when Trump won in NC.

McCrory pissed off a lot of Republican voters with his I-77 highway toll plan, as dumb as that sounds. He lost at least 15,000 votes in solidly Republican areas of northern Mecklenburg County, which was enough to account for the margin of victory and more. Pundits are going to act like it was HB2 that did it, but nope, highways. Nothing to see here.

http://wfae.org/post/mccrory-loses-home-turf-blame-i-77-tolls-hb2-shifting-vote-patterns

So people are actually *worse* than I thought. Good to know!

i put McCrory in the other thread, what i think of for non-federal non-WH news

American politics 2016: Lawyers, Guns, and D-Money

now Dana Rohrabacher is the possible State appointee? are they trying to see who can induce the most puking?

hahaha waaaaaht

he was my district rep growing up, have hated him literally all my life

I joked about it before but my ability to laugh about the idea of a President Luthor assembling his Legion of Doom has diminished as that comparison has become more scarily accurate (minus the superpowers, thankfully).

for those of you unfamiliar w/ Dana

https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/805806949644333056