Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

I'm trying to repress these feelings, see...

I'm still thinking about that woman whose Twitter feed I posted. Like, what if you asked her, would you support abortion being illegal throughout the country? Would she be into that? Opposed to that? She didn't come off as religious.

she'd probably be down with that ban. a lot of pro-life people don't take any kind of larger view of the issue of abortion -- how it relates to women's autonomy over their own health decisions, how before abortion's legalization it happened anyway but was dangerous, etc. they just look at the issue in itself and decide they are uncomfortable with the idea so it shouldn't happen.

I think the vast majority of people involved in "pizzagating" don't really believe it, it's total 4chan schtick. The hard part is figuring out who if anyone actually does, it's like a turing test for basement-dwelling losers.

Well it was banned from /r/the_donald, then it was banned from /r/conspiracy to /r/pizzagate, then it was banned from Rediit in it's entirety, so by this stage if you've followed it to voat.co (which is running rife with 'false flag' and 'the Oregonian ran an article about this 10 hours before it happened') then you're either a true believer or you're pretty dedicated to exoteric lols.

wtf is voat.co ?

Well I don't know what it was a fortnight ago, but now it's mostly "the Reddit clone tha pizzagate moved to"

https://voat.co/v/all/top

Ben Carson, u got a job despite yr protestations

i guess trump can now cross 'diversity?' off the to-do list he scrawled on the back of an envelope on nov 9

I'm still thinking about that woman whose Twitter feed I posted. Like, what if you asked her, would you support abortion being illegal throughout the country? Would she be into that? Opposed to that? She didn't come off as religious.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she'd probably be down with that ban. a lot of pro-life people don't take any kind of larger view of the issue of abortion -- how it relates to women's autonomy over their own health decisions, how before abortion's legalization it happened anyway but was dangerous, etc. they just look at the issue in itself and decide they are uncomfortable with the idea so it shouldn't happen.

― Treeship, Monday, December 5, 2016 12:01 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im sorry but who the fuck knows? i kind of get your point a little bit in posting that twitter profile to highlight how prob most trump voters are somewhat apolitical and not outwardly enthusiastic about their racism but the amount to which you are zeroing in on such personal details about this person is kind of strange eephus. she's some random 19-year-old college girl in the south, she supports trump but im not sure what else about her politics you can surmise from her tweets? do you know her or something?

based on a quick glance i knew a lot of people like her in the almost exclusively white ohio suburb i grew up in... and i think some of them are democrats and some of them are republican. a white bread apolitical blandness doesn't necessitate wanting abortion to banned and trump in office even if it might entail other regressive politics

Idk if I'm following this...whatever...correctly but I think it's a good point to say that it's the people you wouldn't expect and not really the KKK kind of open stuff that we should be newly, unpleasantly aware of. I saw an article the other day about how protestors came out to disrupt the planned KKK march in some city and the article was like "See, our people of this region are good! We don't support hate speech!" but the real story to me is how many people stayed home bc from BOTH the Klan parade and the counter protests because they don't explicitly align with either but they're more comfortable with the rhetoric based on white supremacy and catering to race-based manufactured insecurity just the same.

IMO one of the most important things is direct governmental checks on Trump's power. That mostly means getting more Democrats (or I guess anti-Trump republicans if it's the only option) into congressional seats and senate seats, and also into state legislatures, governorships, pretty much any office at any level right now. There are local elections in many places in 2017. There are congressional elections in 2018. Volunteer for a campaign in a "flippable" area. Donate money. Go to your local democratic committee meetings. Run for local office if you're so inclined, even something that seems rinky-dink like a county position.

Also, there are still a few days left to phone bank for or donate to Foster Campbell, a dem senate upstart who is currently in a runoff election in Louisiana. Getting a democrat there means we have 49-51 in the Senate, which means we are much closer to being able to block people like Jeff Sessions, Betsy DeVos, whatever nightmare Trump nominates to the Supreme Court, etc.

I think the vast majority of people involved in "pizzagating" don't really believe it, it's total 4chan schtick. The hard part is figuring out who if anyone actually does, it's like a turing test for basement-dwelling losers.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive),

General Flynn, the next National Security advisor, previously tweeted about it, and his son doubled-down on it yesterday in a tweet

^^^^^^ this is exactly what's so scary about the whole thing. As much as I dislike sites like Breitbart it was at least comforting in the past to know that they were just on the sidelines. Now the dude who ran the site has the ear of the dumbest and most gullible president in history. So, that sucks

Exactly. I realized with dread during a discussion yesterday that we're witnessing the Fred Phelpsification of America. Fringe garbage people who are beyond reason or decency are moving from the fringe and into the mainstream. It remains to be seen if this is the disease's last desperate attempt to overtake its host or if it's just straight-up metastasis. But we need to chemo the shit out of these fuckers.

the amount to which you are zeroing in on such personal details about this person is kind of strange eephus. she's some random 19-year-old college girl in the south, she supports trump but im not sure what else about her politics you can surmise from her tweets? do you know her or something?

sorry, she was just somebody i came across while searching twitter for pat mccrory news, i have no personal knowledge of her, she just seemed somehow emblematic to me and a useful corrective to my reflexive notions of "who voted for this guy?" i guess what i'm saying is that if i want to understand how we win next time, i have to not be locked into the idea that trump voter = "joe lunchpail in ohio" or "dapper twitter nazi", not to deny these are important demos for him

also? i could see her voting for obama tbh

ok yea makes sense xp

oh man yes – I hope it's true

Senate Democrats are preparing to put Donald Trump’s Cabinet picks through a grinding confirmation process, weighing delay tactics that could eat up weeks of the Senate calendar and hamper his first 100 days in office.

Multiple Democratic senators told POLITICO in interviews last week that after watching Republicans sit on Merrick Garland’s nomination to the Supreme Court for nearly a year, they’re in no mood to fast-track Trump’s selections.

But it’s not just about exacting revenge.

Democrats argue that some of the president-elect’s more controversial Cabinet picks — such as Jeff Sessions for attorney general and Steven Mnuchin for treasury secretary — demand a thorough public airing.

“They’ve been rewarded for stealing a Supreme Court justice. We’re going to help them confirm their nominees, many of whom are disqualified?” fumed Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). “It’s not obstruction, it’s not partisan, it’s just a duty to find out what they’d do in these jobs.”

Senate Democrats can’t block Trump’s appointments, which in all but one case need only 51 votes for confirmation. But they can turn the confirmation process into a slog.

Any individual senator can force Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to hold procedural votes on nominees. Senior Democrats said a series of such votes are likely for many of Trump’s picks.

Democrats could conceivably force up to 30 hours of debate for each Cabinet nominee, which would be highly disruptive for a GOP Senate that usually works limited hours but has big ambitions for next year. The minority could also stymie lower-level nominees and potentially keep the Senate focused on executive confirmations for weeks as Trump assumes the presidency and congressional Republicans try to capitalize on their political momentum.

but fuck this guy:

Not all Democrats are on board with a strategy of delay.

Informed that Democrats might hold up Sessions and other nominations past Jan. 20, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia responded: “That’s just bullshit.”

I am 100% in support of this even though I hate this style of governing, the GOP already started this "we're going to refuse Hillary's Supreme Court nominee for 4 years" bullshit, turnabout is fair play

Generally pretty fed up with governmental intransigence but riding the brakes on confirming Trump's cabinet of deplorables is the kind of noble intransigence I can get behind.

oh i hope this is true xxxp

which in all but one case need only 51 votes for confirmation

two weeks ago:

"I generally oppose the filibuster and I'm going to vote my conscience on these nominees, particularly when it comes to conflict of interest and qualifications for the position," said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Connecticut. "But my feeling generally is that the president should have the opportunity to select his team, and if he makes mistakes, he will be held accountable and so will they."

Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pennsylvania, agreed.

"I think you start with the premise that presidents should have the right to name their cabinet. It's our job to do the oversight and scrutiny and review that's appropriate," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politics/democrats-nuclear-option-donald-trump/

So there are no potential no votes on the GOP side for any of these nominees?

Rand Paul's been making plenty of noise about the noms he doesn't like

i think i read that Susan Collins is already on board for Sessions et al.

particularly the names floated so far for Sec. of State

xp

Senators won't reject a colleague. That's why I wonder why presidents have shied from nominating SCOTUS justices from the Senate.

@tinyrevolution
When you ponder the strategy behind Donald Trump's tweeting, etc., consider this wisdom from Egypt's Gamal Nasser

"The genius of you Americans is that you never made clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which makes us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them we are missing."

i'm p confident Rand Paul opposition will be outweighed by the Dem "give the prez his Cabinet" shitheads.

when it comes down to votes? I don't doubt it. Delays are good though. Gum up the works, delay delay delay

not Tom DeLay though

Sure, the republicans wouldn't let Obama go to the bathroom for the last 6 years, but let's make sure to give the corrupt autocrat a chance to govern.

btw a thousand times this

@DougHenwood
you’re not going to win the political battle by fact-checking Trump - people did it with Reagan and it went nowhere

yeah I've stopped bothering w that angle

The Sad Truth: The Cost Of Stein/Clinton's #Wisconsin Vote Recount Could Have Saved At Least 5,000 Children's Lives https://t.co/sMNQJDfppt

— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) December 4, 2016

somehow Trump's offspring are even worse than he is

btw a thousand times this

@DougHenwood
you’re not going to win the political battle by fact-checking Trump - people did it with Reagan and it went nowhere

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2016 12:23 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I've stopped bothering w that angle

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 5, 2016 1

been saying it since October

i wonder how many lives the trump family could save by giving all their money away and never appearing in public ever again

I made fun of all the "fact checking" a lot during the elections. I still think it should be done, but no one should have the illusion that if we just do enough work to get *the facts* out there it will fix things, or that this election could have been won if only *the facts* were put out even more.

@tinyrevolution
When you ponder the strategy behind Donald Trump's tweeting, etc., consider this wisdom from Egypt's Gamal Nasser

"The genius of you Americans is that you never made clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which makes us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them we are missing."

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2016 11:15 AM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. Some people want to ascribe a clever and inscrutable strategy to Trump's moves because they have an inherent need to leap great distances in resolving cognitive dissonance. It's this need rather than his nonexistent cleverness which has helped him to succeed against all odds. You aren't engaging with an incurious dullard, you see, but rather peeling away the layers of illusory crass self-involvement that obscure the enigmatic sage at the core of his being.

I'm starting a nonprofit to ensure that every household in America receives a complimentary copy of Being There.

has this been shared yet?

http://www.injusticeboycott.com/

yeah there's a thread about it

I'm really disappointed in how dumb it is already

I am sort of ambivalent about it

I mean yes the SFPD is fucked up and should be held accountable/change policies etc. but ... idk there seem like way bigger problems on the nat'l level that aren't going to be helped by boycotting SF. I dunno how I would even begin to boycott my own city.

boycott all corporations headquartered in SF and NYC, lol

like Twitter

don't go to the bank, don't use the internet, don't partake in any entertainment or media

Shaun King seems like a well-meaning but non-brilliant guy.