not sure if anyone posted this P4reene devil's-advocate piece that shoots down the Dem laments
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/how-to-talk-to-your-shithead-liberal-nephew-over-the-ho-1789319216
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
WI judge rejects stoppage of recount
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
I saw reports of people working the recount griping that this was taking place 'during the holidays' yet the recount has to be done and the vote certified by 12/13
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
So why is Trump, Inc., trying to stop the recounts? Gotta admit, not a good look to claim the election is rigged, win anyway, re-insist it's rigged and that there was fraud, and then sue to stop recounts.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Trump does and says what he wants without any regard to consistency, logic or common sense. Get used to it, I guess.
Trump doesn't care about nagl.
― silverfish, Friday, 2 December 2016 22:19 (seven years ago) link
"there were also other good candidates that got 0 votes because they were told not to run so that clinton could get her turn"
such as? seriously, I'm curious what other contenders the Dems even had this time out. I can't think of any aside from Warren and Biden.
― akm, Friday, December 2, 2016 3:43 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
those are the 2 i had in mind
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 December 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
so, Exxon for Sec of State?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarah-anderson/trump-may-tap-overpaid-oi_b_13375562.html
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
Raymond retired from ExxonMobil at the end of 2005, and his near $70 million in compensation for the year seemed, at the time, a more than ample reward for his career of service to company shareholders. Company directors disagreed. This past April, news reports revealed that Raymond walked off into the retirement sunset with a going-away pay package that sets a staggeringly new golden parachute standard.This retirement package — a grab-bag of stock options, restricted stock awards from previous years, retirement-independent salary, and bonuses, plus a $1 million consulting contract, security services, a car and driver, access to the company corporate jet, and $210,800 in country club fees — would add up to nearly $400 million.“He is a porker of the first order,” executive pay expert Graef Crystal told Bloomberg after the news of Raymond’s good fortune broke. “Those CEOs out there who are doing better at the trough must be thrilled he’s flying fighter cover for them.”
This retirement package — a grab-bag of stock options, restricted stock awards from previous years, retirement-independent salary, and bonuses, plus a $1 million consulting contract, security services, a car and driver, access to the company corporate jet, and $210,800 in country club fees — would add up to nearly $400 million.
“He is a porker of the first order,” executive pay expert Graef Crystal told Bloomberg after the news of Raymond’s good fortune broke. “Those CEOs out there who are doing better at the trough must be thrilled he’s flying fighter cover for them.”
If he had to liquidate his stock options like Hank Paulson did he wont take a loss. Exxon's stock in 2005 was around 50. Today its trading at $87
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 December 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
"yeah "asked" is prob better - friend also pointed out that she's not as much of a rogue element as Sanders, and heeded the requests out of courtesy"
well yeah, she's actually a democrat and Sanders was/is not.
― akm, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:02 (seven years ago) link
and yet Schumer named him to the leadership team. cuuuuurious
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link
Kinda lol but mostly sad
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
Trump 'll say ppl are FANTASTIC, GOOD PEOPLE to literally anyone who dials him on his My First Phone now won't he?
Good luck world.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link
Ugh this fucking guy!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link
my spouse is mad at me now because i refuse to be treated by doctors who are members of the ama. i understand the concern, but if we only object when it is convenient for us, we're not going to ever accomplish anything, will we?
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:14 (seven years ago) link
i want to see his official ranking of countries with the most intelligent people
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:14 (seven years ago) link
we have a child as president (and commander in chief of armed forces)
― splendor in the ASS (rip van wanko), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:30 (seven years ago) link
surprised this wasn't posted. real good:
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/now-is-the-time-to-talk-about-what-we-are-actually-talking-about?mbid=social_facebook
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 2 December 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link
this seems like it is a bad idea
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/politics/donald-trump-taiwan/index.html?adkey=bn
― akm, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:53 (seven years ago) link
was just coming here to comment on that, terrifying
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:55 (seven years ago) link
trump's been quite open about wanting a fucking trade war with china so I guess he'll get it
― akm, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link
tbf who else is China gonna sell all their crap to
(not that I am looking forward to this, just joeks bruv)
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link
I was listening to some Black Metal (Coven, or Evil Ways Instead of Love by Cultes des Ghoules ) while opening the CNN link, not realizing it would have Wolf talking right away - creepy indeed!
― BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
Going to (trade?/currency?) war with China, just so that Trump Org can get a new hotel licensee.
Trump wants to expand business empire to Taiwan, creating another potential conflict of interest
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:36 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/sarah-palin-donald-trump-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism-232139?cmpid=sf
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:47 (seven years ago) link
through the looking glass
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:47 (seven years ago) link
On the bright side, this may mean no Secretary Palin.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
which one's the heel?
― will, Saturday, 3 December 2016 02:28 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD2eKdQ1gqI
euphenism yo. new word for lie.
― Treeship, Saturday, 3 December 2016 05:53 (seven years ago) link
Somehow didn't realize until now that Trump actually tweets back at people in his threads, both supporters and detractors.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 3 December 2016 06:06 (seven years ago) link
The Taiwan phone call seems overblown in the context of the US selling close to $2bn of weapons to Taipei over the last two years alone, though it is symbolic . The bigger issue will be Trump's aggressive stance on the valuation of the Yuan and whether additional tariffs will be brought in to try to force them to change it. It's easy to say when you want to boost the prospects for US manufacturing but less easy to do when China holds such a large proportion of US debt.
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Saturday, 3 December 2016 08:26 (seven years ago) link
I think you've already thought this out far more than he has.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 December 2016 13:29 (seven years ago) link
He's got hotel interests in Taiwan. The end.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 December 2016 13:33 (seven years ago) link
I assume he's got hotel interests almost everywhere there are people, not least because "his" hotels are often just licensing his name, which gets slapped on front.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 December 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
Duterte: Trump says Philippines tackling drug problem 'the right way'
Our president elect just endorsed police murdering suspects; death squads murdering informants, human rights activists, and journalists; and fathomless police corruption.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
tbf there's no evidence trump actually said this, and if he did say it it there's no evidence he has any idea what's going on in the phillippines
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
There is no evidence Trump understands anything. That's not a defense of all the dumb shit he does. He took a job.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
No defense, just saying the issue is "Trump has no clue" not "Trump loves murder"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
The Duerte thing is troubling, but I think there's a better than decent chance that Trump never said anything and Duerte made it up completely
― I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link
The Taiwan phone call seems overblown in the context of the US selling close to $2bn of weapons to Taipei over the last two years alone, though it is symbolic
The weapons trade with Taiwan has been going on for decades as well as the constant USN and USAF presence in key parts of the Pacific. It's not like we hide all that, or the existence of the AIT and TECRO. In fact, hey look it's all right here: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm
The phone call is symbolic of our President-Elect is a dipshit.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
The Duterte thing is approximately as troubling and nominating an AG who cast a symbolic vote to allow the US armed forces to torture people. So whether he said anything about Filipino law enforcement techniques or not, he's been pretty clear.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link
I've had arguments with Trumpeters about Duterte on other forums. In their media echo chamber, Duterte has made the Davao City and the Phillipines safer places, which is pretty much the opposite of the facts on the ground. We know that the PEOTUS seems to pay attention to the same echo chamber, rather than ethical journalists or even his own intelligence briefings.
Given the Argentina, Pakistan, and Taiwanese phone call gaffes, Duterte's description of his phone call seems par for course.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 3 December 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
The weapons trade with Taiwan has been going on for decades as well as the constant USN and USAF presence in key parts of the Pacific. It's not like we hide all that, or the existence of the AIT and TECRO. In fact, hey look it's all right here: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htmThe phone call is symbolic of our President-Elect is a dipshit.
US policy on Taiwan has been to edge closer to treating it as a de facto state, while maintaining the official 'one China' policy and the idea that a phone call from a president elect is a huge change of course seems a bit of a stretch. As president elect, Obama was in direct contact with Ma Ying-Jeou, albeit via letter, to congratulate him on his election win - which came shortly after Obama's own and has pushed for Taiwan to be included in a number of international federations (in addition to the billions of dollars of defensive weapons sold).
It's a fairly easy bit of symbolism for Trump - cutting through the fiction that the US does not have contact with senior Taiwanese politicians, showing his base that he's not afraid of China and giving a domestic message that diplomacy will not be business as usual. Actually breaking with the 'one China' policy would be massive, Trump meeting with Tsai face to face as president would be big, but there's still a question mark over whether he would ever actually do either of those things.
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Saturday, 3 December 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
The Duterte praise is pretty disconcerting to me, because I've already had a lot of images in my head of paramilitary/death squad type forces arising under Trump. Lots of armed right-wingers in parts of the country, could also involve Blackwater which has massive ties to the administration (Pence is a friend of Prince and DeVos is Prince's brother). A little cooperation/head-turning from sympathetic police departments, a justice dept that refuses to deal with it, it all seems plausible to me. As the brilliant Matt Stoller pointed out in a podcast I listened to the other night, it's not like it hasn't happened before in the US.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 3 December 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
yes let's not forget the widespread FEMA camps and Obamacare Death Panels
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-real-risk-behind-trumps-taiwan-call
this is pretty harrowing
― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
Would be great if China took it out on Trump and his family, personally.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
No way that anyone who voted for Trump or the minority of #NeverTrump people are going to give a a damn about the "foreign policy establishment" being "appalled." That's why they voted for him.
And guess who approves?
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=547
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/12/former_pow_bowe_bergdahl_asks.html
whoa, some of the shit trump has said about this
President-elect Donald Trump was particularly critical of the prisoner deal during the presidential campaign, describing Bergdahl as a "no-good traitor, who should have been executed." Trump has at times held up an imaginary rifle as if he were taking aim at Bergdahl and declared at a Las Vegas rally in October that "30 years ago, he would have been shot."
― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
so obscene. as if trump could have withstood the psychological pressure of being a solider deployed in a combat zone.
― Treeship, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
https://68.media.tumblr.com/f826d223e1b6c029de46aa87165aac74/tumblr_ohmoi9H2l21qdmmiqo1_500.gif
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 3 December 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link