Trump probably doesn't want to live where black people lived, honestly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
so you do not believe he "really really liked" Obama then
even tho he's leaving him a great Perpetual War machine
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
I don't believe anything he says
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
OTM. Trump's words have value only to the extent that they reveal his pathology.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 December 2016 16:54 (seven years ago) link
Billy Bush tape is the only time he's ever sounded genuine to me
― frogbs, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
i thought to the degree that Obama told him at the WH meeting something like "i will try to keep you from shitting the bed the day you get here," he was grateful.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
I'll never forget about a week ago I was watching the nightly news—I won't say which one because I don't want to give them credit because I don't like them much. I'll be honest, I don't like them, not even a little bit. But they were doing a story on Carrier and I say, “Wow, that's something, I want to see that.” And they had a gentleman worker, great guy, handsome guy, he was on, and it was like he didn't even know they were leaving. He said something to the effect, “No, we're not leaving because Donald Trump promised us that we're not leaving.” And I never thought I made that promise; not with Carrier—I made it for everybody else. I didn't make it really for Carrier, and I said, “What's he saying?”
He was such a believer, he was such a great guy. He said, “I've been with Donald Trump from the beginning and he made the statement that Carrier's not going anywhere, they're not leaving.” And I'm saying to myself, man. And then they played my statement, and I said, “Carrier will never leave.” But that was a euphemism. I was talking about Carrier like all other companies from here on in because they made the decision a year and a half ago. But he believed that that was—and I could understand it; I actually said [it]—when they played that I said I did make it but I didn't mean it quite that way. So now because of him, whoever that guy was, is he in the room, by any chance? That's your son? Stand up, you did a good job. … Well, your son is great.
― Mordy, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyoj7U4WIAEuF2s.png:large
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
I...don't know what to do with that. Except hope that there's a clip of Trump promising to commit suicide which one of his supporters will remind him of in a CNN interview.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
I hope he dies of a euphemism.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
that's a really good graph.
i wish there were versions for the 2012/08/04/00 elections, just for comparison
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
the articles about the failed gop candidates screaming at jeff zucker for cnn's garbage ass coverage at the first day of the harvard election post mortem conference are kinda awesome
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
That graph is an accurate representation of my endorphin levels since Nov. 8.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
i don't get the news coverage 'issue'. We all know the freakshow gets the attention in postliterate America. The election threads here all spring and summer were 95% about Trump.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
I felt zero feelings for CNN when I heard about them getting yelled at by Trump in a room. Such a worthless network.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
seriously fuck everyone who ends up on this site, you idiots knew this "master persuader" was constantly lying and bullshitting about literally everything, anyone who feels "betrayed" by Trump has zero critical thinking skills whatsoever
― frogbs
clinton decisively lost the "amoral idiot" vote. now, in one sense it is depressing, though slightly obvious, to realize that the majority of "undecided" voters are in fact amoral idiots. on the other hand, this makes recovery, in an electoral sense, reasonably straightforward. quit nominating profoundly uncharismatic candidates for president, quit pretending that you can possibly engage these voters on things like "the issues" and "the economy", realize that the people on your side of the fence will vote for your candidate _no matter what_, and the democratic party should theoretically be able to reliably put their candidate in the white house.
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Millenials, you're supposedly less nihilist and faith addled than past generations. We're depending on you.
― Sanpaku, Friday, 2 December 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
But can they find the perfect charismatic candidate...
Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook also acknowledged that her operation had made a number of mistakes and miscalculations, while being buffeted by what he repeatedly described as a “head wind” of being an establishment candidate in a season where voters were eager for change.
He noted, for example, that younger voters, perhaps assuming that Clinton was going to win, migrated to third-party candidates in the final days of the race.
Where the campaign needed to win upward of 60 percent of young voters, it was able to garner something “in the high 50s at the end of the day,” Mook said. “That’s why we lost.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shouting-match-erupts-between-clinton-and-trump-aides/2016/12/01/7ac4398e-b7ea-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_election750p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.abdd02344e61
― curmudgeon, Friday, 2 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/status/804743163663552513
Part of me thinks that Trump actually doesn't remember McMullin's name, or never learned it.
Anyway, I'm not sure if McMullin has done anything other than tweet criticism since the election, but if he's the most prominent conservative opposition voice, we are in trouble.
― I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shouting-match-erupts-between-clinton-and-trump-aides/2016/12/01/7ac4398e-b7ea-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html
wow ok reading that was completely nauseating
― El Tomboto, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
barf
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
I hope Mook is getting laid.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
I wouldn't be upset if really bad things happened to Kellyanne Conway
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
yeah 4 years of dealing w/ his scumbag opportunist crew and family is almost as dreadful as 4 years of dealing with the man himself
― iatee, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
“This is the problem with the media. You guys took everything that Donald Trump said so literally,” Lewandowski said. “The American people didn’t. They understood it. They understood that sometimes — when you have a conversation with people, whether it’s around the dinner table or at a bar — you’re going to say things, and sometimes you don’t have all the facts to back it up.”
― jmm, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
yes yes now imagine all those people at the bar are your boss and are making decisions that will impact you and your family's livelihood
― frogbs, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
^^ most wtf part of that wtf story xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
nah I get what he means -- Trump is blustery and a lot of his supporters get that he's blustery. They enjoy it. It's pro-wrestling.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
yeah I get it too, like he didn't *really* implore Russia to hack Hillary Clinton, even if he *literally* did
what I don't get is why people thought this was acceptable from a future President, one of the few people on the planet whose decisions and words actually do matter
― frogbs, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link
nothing really matters to nihilists
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link
Very koan-esque 'eats shoots & leaves' sentence there, Shakey.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
i was talking to a friend yesterday and said "i can't believe we elected a reality tv personality to be president" and he said "really? i do. it makes total sense." none of this stuff is surprising. and yes bernie would've won because politics is always about character & language
― flappy bird, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
Kinda begs the 'would you kill baby Hitler?' question wrt Mark Burnett.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
trump would also pull shit like say something nuts ("obama founded isis"), media reports it, then deny it ("I was just kidding!") then repeat the same fucking nonsense again and say no, he meant it literally ("no I literally meant obama founded isis")
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
the whole "OMG postmodern president" thing is a little bit ahistorical. President of the United States has been a television role for a long time now, not to mention that we had Reagan over 30 years ago.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
1940s Warner Bros vs Wrestlemania
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
So that Newsweek writer whose name I forget, keeps harping on the primary votes where Clinton won 16.8 million votes to 13.2 million for Sanders, to assert that it is not so clear that Bernie would have done better than Clinton in the general election. He seems to be overlooking various factors for that.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link
there were also other good candidates that got 0 votes because they were told not to run so that clinton could get her turn
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, December 2, 2016 3:20 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I mean if anything is truly "postmodern" it's that we have multiple generations of people now completely engulfed by television and movies to the point that our competing ideas of "normal" are just based on different eras/types of movies and tv.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Foghorn Leghorn and Yosemite Sam fit in both.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
nobody even remembers senator claghorn anymore
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
i say, i say, son
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
(i know who Fred Allen was)
"there were also other good candidates that got 0 votes because they were told not to run so that clinton could get her turn"
such as? seriously, I'm curious what other contenders the Dems even had this time out. I can't think of any aside from Warren and Biden.
― akm, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
I still think is the best election overview, if I haven't posted it.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
xp it was Warren, according to someone I know who worked w/her on the TARP bailout
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
i think it's probably OK that Elizabeth Warren remains in the Senate for the time being. she might make a fine candidate at some point but having strong dem voices in the legislature is important
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 2 December 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
if warren would have run, she likely would have won the nomination and would now be president
she didn't not run 'so that clinton could get her turn', she didn't run because *that was definitely not apparent at the time*
― iatee, Friday, 2 December 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link
hey all I'm saying is that someone who worked on her staff told me that Warren was specifically told not to run, whether by HRC or DNC I dunno, not verified, just hearsay
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link
'told' is probably the wrong verb here - she doesn't have a boss. I am sure lots of high level democrats individually advised her against running because it seemed at the time like it would be a lost cause.
― iatee, Friday, 2 December 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link