Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

fucking hell i wish i could unsee that jim bakker video

Haha oops

so can Jill gift her votes to HRC? That seems likely

omg the ultimate Dem wet dream, appropriation of all votes to the left of the Wall St Journal ed page

Carrier is still shipping most of their jobs away. They just compromised because 1.) they were paid and 2.) the attention this circus brought to them made them lool bad

It's so meaningless

smoke n' mirrors, special effects

briefly unretiring from lurking again to post something else potentially insightful conveyed elsewhere on the intertubes. ta ta!

Anyway as someone living in the festering 7th district of MO, I can tell you there is no reason to try to appeal to the Trumpers who were chanting "Lock her up" for the last six months. Trump was right about one thing: he really could have shot someone on 5th Avenue and not lost any votes. I think Hillary could have gone to bumfuck, Alabama, and said "Fuck all you sister-fuckers" and it wouldn't have lost her any votes either. This country has just about hit peak polarization; the only difference is which side is going to turn out more to "stick it" to the other. Clearly the Bernie or Busters/Jill Steiners of the liberal base made their decision, or maybe it was people not showing up to vote because they thought the demographic shift made it a sure thing, or maybe because it wasn't the first black president running for office. Whatever, all we know is the only voters that matter are the ones that turn out. It's a hard lesson, but after four years of Republicans dismantling everything Obama accomplished maybe it will sink in. Sucks for us; really sucks for Obama, but maybe we can turn it around and focus on getting out the vote for 2018? Or maybe just go back to protesting and bitching on Facebook instead...

I don't think you should confuse the 40% of worst savages we knew were going to vote for him no matter what with the other 6.5% who decided because of Comey/etc. or the significant percentage vs. 2008/12 who just didn't turn out.

Given that we fought an actual Civil War over chattel slavery, not sure we can talk about peak polarization. Even compared to other modern elections, I would guess that the percentage of party-hopping voters isn't all that different, it's just that most of them were white and there are relatively fewer white people now.

As hard as the GOP will work to violate voting rights, this isn't the first time they've had all three branches to undermine them - Bush had four and a half years of it. Obama still won in 2008.

Clearly the Bernie or Busters/Jill Steiners of the liberal base made their decision, or maybe it was people not showing up to vote because they thought the demographic shift made it a sure thing, or maybe because it wasn't the first black president running for office.

I'm pretty sure 99% of ILX who didn't back her from the start voted for her (I did, even in a state where it didn't matter), but maybe instead of complaining about people who voted for Stein or stayed home it's time to accept that she was a deeply flawed candidate who lost once as the anointed favorite and had a strong challenge from an elderly Jewish socialist who sounds like one of the interviews from 'Reds.'

or the significant percentage vs. 2008/12 who just didn't turn out.

135.5 million votes have been counted for 2016, vs 129 million in 2012

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/

friend sent me some minor schadenfreude:
https://www.reddit.com/user/coolguy_420

The way he's trying to convince himself that Trump isn't going to fuck with his weed is hilarious.

also https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/

this made the rounds yet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/trumps-off-the-cuff-remarks-to-world-leaders-leave-diplomats-aghast.html

Mr. Trump’s conversation with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan has generated the most angst, because, as Mr. Earnest put it, the relationship between Mr. Sharif’s country and the United States is “quite complicated,” with disputes over issues ranging from counterterrorism to nuclear proliferation. In a remarkably candid readout of the phone call, the Pakistani government said Mr. Trump had told Mr. Sharif that he was “a terrific guy” who made him feel as though “I’m talking to a person I have known for long.” He described Pakistanis as “one of the most intelligent people.” When Mr. Sharif invited him to visit Pakistan, the president-elect replied that he would “love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people.”

The Trump transition office, in its more circumspect readout, said only that Mr. Trump and Mr. Sharif “had a productive conversation about how the United States and Pakistan will have a strong working relationship in the future.” It did not confirm or deny the Pakistani account of Mr. Trump’s remarks.

The breezy tone of the readout left diplomats in Washington slack-jawed, with some initially assuming it was a parody. In particular, they zeroed in on Mr. Trump’s offer to Mr. Sharif “to play any role you want me to play to address and find solutions to the country’s problems.” That was interpreted by some in India as an offer by the United States to mediate Pakistan’s border dispute with India in Kashmir, something that the Pakistanis have long sought and that India has long resisted.

“By taking such a cavalier attitude to these calls, he’s encouraging people not to take him seriously,” said Daniel F. Feldman, a former special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan. “He’s made himself not only a bull in a china shop, but a bull in a nuclear china shop.”

Husain Haqqani, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington, said his government’s decision to release a rough transcript of Mr. Trump’s remarks was a breach of protocol that demonstrated how easily Pakistani leaders misread signals from their American counterparts. “Pakistan is one country where knowing history and details matters most,” Mr. Haqqani said, “and where the U.S. cannot afford to give wrong signals, given the history of misunderstandings.”

And still well over a month until he even takes office! Git r dun!

The bumbling boy king schtick is an act.

He speaks carelessly and debases the integrity of words - his own and others - bc it lets him get away with stuff. He didnt talk to the prime minister like that bc he is naive and thinks pakistanis are "terrific." There was some other reason. His aims cannot be assumed to coincide with US national interest.

also https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/

seriously fuck everyone who ends up on this site, you idiots knew this "master persuader" was constantly lying and bullshitting about literally everything, anyone who feels "betrayed" by Trump has zero critical thinking skills whatsoever

I take some small comfort in that site, I hope there are a lot of those people and they stay mad/disenchanted.

Not all of those are from Trump voters. See, for example, Carl Reiner's tweet.

I feel so betrayed that this guy is continuing to be the same person he's publicly shown himself to be for his entire adult life. I thought for sure giving more power to a power-hungry narcissist would humble him, where did we go wrong.

In my more pessimistic moments, I see the rising tide of populism as the collective unconsciousness acknowledging that humankind has pretty much run its course and needs to do what it can to hasten its own end.

she was a deeply flawed candidate

So Republicans largely unite for their deeply flawed candidate, but Dems(broadly defined) do not

Honestly it seems like democrats did unite behind their flawed candidate. Vote totals are increasingly suggesting that the "low turnout" story was exaggerated based on early results. Third party showing was not that impressive. And Trump's margin in the states that won him the election was TINY.

republicans were just motivated after 8 years of democratic WH to come out and vote for their guy - that's why it's so hard to win 3 terms in a row

I have to say, when I predicted that Trump would continue to hold rallies after the election, the context I had in mind was a little more laughable and easy to dismiss.

xp not so sure about that Mordy. Don't think you'd see the same electoral map with a Rubio or Cruz, regardless of who would have won.

Trump brought out a lot of non-regular voters and probably turned off some regular voting republicans.

so Trump is sitting at ~1.7mn more votes than Romney 2012 according to Milo Z, and Clinton how many less than Obama-- 5 million?

x-post-- is there data that supports that Man Alive... I keep reading that regular voting Republicans all came home or stayed there and voted for him (turned off or not)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/01/donald_trump_using_scotch_tape_on_his_tie_is_not_a_metaphor_or_is_it.html

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/01/donald_trump_using_scotch_tape_on_his_tie_is_not_a_metaphor_or_is_it/627017792-president-elect-donald-trump-arrives-on-december-1-2016.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

lol

Have done that before, on more than one occasion. I mean fuck wearing neckties imo, but if you do, you will have to do that at some point.

they make these things called tie clips/bars.

I think local elections are going to become more and more important, especially given the GOP creep at governor level. Even here, one of the bluest of the blue states and the only state it seems to successfully replace a sitting GOP senator with a dem, we somehow still have an asshole GOP governor who is fucking with everyone. But of course, if you think turnout is terrible or disappointing on a national level, things look ever worse locally.

Third party showing was not that impressive--man alive

Stein's votes (no matter how few) in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania exceed the margins that Trump won by in those states.

He wouldn't have to do that if he'd stop wearing his tie so that it hangs all the way down to his balls.

they make these things called tie clips/bars.

^^^

scotch tape is just some cheap slipshod shit

Trump tie tapegate = perfect liberal bait. Don't take the bait.

assuming that all of those Stein votes would have gone to HRC seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of 3rd party voter psychology.

Stein's votes (no matter how few) in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania exceed the margins that Trump won by in those states.

― curmudgeon, Friday, December 2, 2016 11:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Double-check the math on Pennsylvania?

latest data I saw showed T winning by only 46 thou there in PA, with Stein getting 49 thousand votes. Early counts showed him with a much larger margin

Its hard to know which voting total data is accurate, as they are still counting votes

yes, but did the Stein votes outnumber those from pale Hillary voter-slugs grown from stem cells in basement of Solyndra offices?

still thinking about that Gawker article about Trump's hair and how he basically moved the clinic maintaining it right next door to him at Trump Tower

somehow I suspect THAT is the true reason he seems so reluctant to live in the White House full time? I mean that's the dumbest possible explanation but wasting tens of millions of taxpayer dollars so he can maintain his clownish haircut is totally a Trump move

come on now, the White House is a dump

Trump probably doesn't want to live where black people lived, honestly

so you do not believe he "really really liked" Obama then

even tho he's leaving him a great Perpetual War machine

I don't believe anything he says

OTM. Trump's words have value only to the extent that they reveal his pathology.