Is this anti-semitism?

everyone here knows what I'm referring to.

You know who I don't like? Self-absorbed, bigoted, hateful fundamentralists from every religion.

Actually I think this is an important conversation. Explain to me how my understanding of your participation on this topic on this board is wrong. How is it anything but just pathetic Jew-baiting? You clearly don't know shit about Jews, Judaism, or Israel. Your only comments on the topic are negative, and like I pointed out, often explicitly bigoted. If you don't think you're a bigot maybe consider that the evidence to the contrary suggests that you don't even know your own mind. And btw don't think anyone hasn't noticed that Jews aren't your only topic. I've also seen you make sexism and racist remarks as well. You're not a very nice or good person and you should either work on becoming a better one or stop taking offense when people notice.

*thread turns into blurry dust-cloud a la Peanuts*

my mind is not what i put on this board, you goddamn maniacal fuckface. buhbye

xp

Mindlessness isn't an excuse for bigotry, though it's often an explanation for it.

or "God said this was my apartment 5000 years ago"

You clearly know practically nothing about Judaism, Zionism or Israel. You certainly don't know anything about the ideological foundations of Zionism if you think it has anything to do with promises from the Bible.

At the very least show a little humility by learning about the topics before pontificating about them. Not being a jackass should take moral precedence over not embarrassing yourself with your ignorance, but if the latter turns out to be a bigger motivator for you then I suggest you embrace it.

On a much more relevant note, Mosaic Magazine just translated for the first time a Jabotinsky article from 1911 on antisemitism:

http://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/2016/11/no-apologies-how-to-respond-to-slander-of-israel-and-jews/

Mordy OTM. I actually like the doc, but he's wrong here.

That (State Dept) definition, from a 2010 memo, includes as examples of anti-Semitism “delegitimizing” Israel, “demonizing” Israel, “applying double standards” to Israel, and “focusing on Israel only for peace or human rights investigations.”

Critics have pointed out that those are political — not racist — positions, shared by a significant number of Jews, and qualify as protected speech under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

According to the draft, the bill does not adopt the definition as a formal legal standard, it only directs the State Department to “take into consideration” the definition when investigating schools for anti-Semitic discrimination under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act....

Jewish groups opposed to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank were quick to denounce the bill.

“Instead of fighting the anti-Semitism entering the White House, this bill will go after 19-year-old students carrying protest signs against human rights abuses,” said Tallie Ben Daniel, academic program manager for Jewish Voice for Peace, in a statement. “This is not how to fight anti-Semitism, this is a recipe for restricting civil liberties like the right to criticize a government for its policies.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/02/senate-responds-to-post-trump-anti-semitism-by-targeting-students-who-criticize-israel/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/swastika-cupcakes-birthday-gift_us_583df40ee4b04fcaa4d562a6

Critics have pointed out that those are political — not racist — positions, shared by a significant number of Jews, and qualify as protected speech under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

According to the draft, the bill does not adopt the definition as a formal legal standard, it only directs the State Department to “take into consideration” the definition when investigating schools for anti-Semitic discrimination under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act....

so what is wrong with greenwald? is he disingenuous or a moron?

You can be both.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/27/neo_nazis_are_planning_an_armed_march_against_jews_in_richard_spencer_s.html

i would move

Now That's What I Call anti-semitism.

the irony of jews running out of whitefish

sorry sorry

Sad lol

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-plotted-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour

there's a legitimate story here, but is it wrong to think that some of these responses seem a little dubious?

One former minister in David Cameron’s government said the embassy’s efforts to exert improper influence on British public life went far further than any plot to “take down” unhelpful members of parliament.

Writing anonymously in the Mail on Sunday, the former minister said: “British foreign policy is in hock to Israeli influence at the heart of our politics, and those in authority have ignored what is going on.

“For years the CFI and LFI have worked with – even for – the Israeli embassy to promote Israeli policy and thwart UK government policy and the actions of ministers who try to defend Palestinian rights.”

A senior Conservative said: “No MP who has taken an active interest in the affairs of the Middle East, not least the central issue of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, will be unaware of the strength of the Israeli lobby. Like Israel itself they are powerful and effective and sail pretty close to the line of what is normally acceptable.”

How would *you* push back against neoconservative lobbyist groups? Personally, I wouldn't choose to bang on about "Israel" via an anon opinion piece in the Mail.

seems like a tempest in an o'keefain teapot to me but i just read about Citizen Genet last night so my scale for terrible politics done by official foreign ambassadors is quite high atm.

ton of bomb threats in US & UK today apparently - luckily not my kid's school but ppl i know's kids :/

The threats were reported against Jewish institutions in New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Tennesee, South Carolina and two metropolitan areas in Florida – Miami and Jacksonville, according to local news reports. In the Miami area, institutions in Miami Beach and Kendall were affected.

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.763994

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/school-bomb-threat-1.430294

16 JCC's apparently in all: http://www.jta.org/2017/01/09/news-opinion/united-states/across-the-us-16-jccs-get-bomb-threats-in-a-single-day

this is why there's an elaborate security system set up at my kids school w/ passes that only give access to certain wings, a front door that requires manual confirmation for entry, an extensive video camera system, and a full-time security guard

on a not so depressing note tho this has been making the rounds and even tho i'm pretty sure i saw something like this before (maybe contrasting the first photo w/ a menorah in front of the gate) it's still something: https://twitter.com/amit_segal/status/818516201517281282

fucking hell.

(at the threats, obviously.)

obv somewhat problematic that my reaction was not horror but 'thank god it was just empty threats'

problem not rly with you

aren't bomb threats always empty

not always!

okay modern bomb threats

seems like a very rare phenomenon - some google research turned up IRA bomb threats that were real and some Vietnam-era bomb threats. presumably if you want to kill jews you don't warn them first (whereas if you're protesting Britain, or a war in vietnam, you might want to make a statement w/out casualties)

I work (for a Jewish social services agency) in a building next to a JCC; building was evacuated this afternoon. We were instructed to leave and assemble next door at the--wait for it--HEBREW HOME.

Anyway I wasn't in the building at the time but it was o_O

Meanwhile, I'm having to get a duplicate passport so I can go to Lebanon in March; apparently Israeli passport stamps are a no-go. My mom, who didn't make a peep when I went to North Korea a couple or years ago, has decided to worry excessively about me going to Beirut.

north korea does somehow seem more stable what w/ not sharing a border w/ syria or having a militant pseudo-government / syria civil war belligerent controlling parts of the country, or suicide bombings in the capital within the last 2 years, but tbh i'm a little jealous both of yr courage, world travel + ability to even go to beirut.

It is true that I have probably never been safer than when I was in NK. But the fact is that I'm more likely to be injured/killed in a car accident ANYWHERE than by a Beirut bombing. I think people my parents' age just hear the word "Beirut" and it is 1983 all over again.

I was going to try to work in an Israel visit but the logistics of doing both are just too cumbersome for a two-week trip :(

Will do Jordan+Israel at some point in the next couple of years I guess.

German court rules that firebombing a synagogue is not anti-Semitic

well i guess the germans would know

was it a jewish synagogue

As opposed to what? Wtf?

just trying to establish the facts maam

...

this shit continuing: http://www.jta.org/2017/01/18/news-opinion/united-states/18-jewish-institutions-across-us-targeted-in-second-wave-of-bomb-threats

Ugh, so terrible. At the Jewish institution I work at in SF we got a walkthrough of bomb threat evac procedures after we found out the Marin JCC had received a threat today.

ppl are stupid http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/360328/australian-mayor-declines-synagogue-invitation-citing-israel-s-occupation/

Gross

Wow, was about to ask how someone with such bad critical thinking skills could be elected mayor but... well... tomorrow is happening.

another wave of bomb threats against jewish community centers?

what do you guys think about the holocaust statement? a lot of ppl think that they omitted specifically referencing jews to... i guess signal to white supremacists? i'm willing to buy that but what i'm wondering about is to what end are they signaling WS's? are they hoping to rev them up into counter-protests, or use them for some purpose down the line? like once the election is over and trump won he doesn't need their votes. (and then even if he did, surely all the anti-immigrant stuff is pleasing enough to them that he doesn't need to throw antisemitism in there too.) in general i've found his dalliances w/ antisemitism to seem to mostly be thoughtless and not intentional (or at least w/ plausible deniability that his other bigotry doesn't have). i guess i'm just confused in general about politics atm.