The Miracle of the Smiths

yeah, i guess i remember marr saying he'd give morrissey like a really complex set of chord changes and morrissey would pick out sections and simplify? maybe I'm making that up...

might not be worthy of release, but would be cool to hear anyway.

does moz bark in that video?

there's this of course which is pretty much an instrumental demo that Moz never got round to singing over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sBAvfM4sY

ha, yeah, i'd listen to an hour of that kind of thing!

That's wonderful, thanks for posting it piscesx

Would've been fascinated by things like that "Fast One" clip in the 90s. Now not so much. It sounds like 2-bar segments of actual Smiths songs edited together to make an imaginary one. I don't mean it's fake, but they probably did the right thing not taking stuff like this further.

I didn't know this Smiths demo. it's pretty good and reminded me of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa5sQuU2YjM&list=PLpAH3kPpftqrrufLr5Ei_EM_Z-i0qwAEI&index=7

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/the-smiths.jpg

ey up

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2017/07/19/smiths-there-is-a-light-that-never-goes-out-take-1/

"This site can’t be reached

www.slicingupeyeballs.com’s server DNS address could not be found."

Google cache has the page but the same news is on the band's fb page:

https://www.facebook.com/TheSmithsOfficial/posts/10154956732592683

Wait, what!?

(from that FB page):

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20155585_10155291251880225_9077061206948731071_n.jpg?oh=89e6419c6c006dfe8b20cbd49e64111b&oe=5A0C6A65

Ok, officially announced 2 days ago:

http://www.stereogum.com/1952454/details-of-the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-super-deluxe-edition-revealed/news/

Alseep? Is that an alternative version of Asleep?

I would assume that those B-sides are just the original tracks, except (here's hoping) Rubber Ring/Asleep might segue into each other to lovely effect as they did on the original 12" – not released since.

Plus there's a DVD of the Jarman film/s and some live gig or other

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-reissue/

Not sure why a new master needed making of an album that was remastered only a few years ago but still

Re-issue! Re-package! Re-package!
Re-evaluate the songs

Really wish they had released Salford 86. Check out Frankly, Mr Shankly from that show. This is the year the album got released, and the crowd go crazy for a random album track. Incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeRMrz4pC8

31 years ago today!

Demos - meh. What I want is a complete Peel sessions!

2017 master? Does this mean this is different from the remastered discography that was released a few years ago? That's my least favorite reissue strategy, the unnecessary re-remaster, like the nu-Sgt. Pepper, and the upcoming Pet Shop Boys.

Yeah,but people be buying it for the demos.

And the 'segued together' Rubber Ring/Asleep. It must be. Surely.

The re-remaster is just a bonus.

Just seen this factoid on the Facebook (Simon Reynolds just wrote an article about the TQID reissue and it was in reply to his post)

"Possibly my favourite little thing about TQID is the way Marr lets us know that "Cemetry Gates" is about Linder by borrowing the riff from Ludus' "Patient" as the intro/outro."

Is this a stretch? I kinda hear it in the bass but I'm not totally convinced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYo38Dy2lGM

listening to this via streaming only, not positive this is a remaster beyond the one from a couple of years ago. also, at least via apple music, the 'full version' of the queen is dead isn't the one that was slipped out on that nice leaked bootleg a few years ago, which had a very extended intro; other than not having the bar song on it I'm not even sure what's different about this track. The demos are interesting but they're very very slick demos, to the point where some, I think, might be the same as used on the album just stripped of some tracks and production? anyway: I'm not buying this for $100 or whatever.

Stephen Street said they were rough mixes, not demos. I took the distinction to be that the main parts of the finished track are all there, but the mixing/overdubs hadn't been done.

ah, that makes sense. that is exactly what they seem to be. are they interesting? yeah, I suppose.

they still hsould have put that long ass version of the title track on there though.

Steve H forum seem to think that Frank Arkwright/Marr weren't involved on this and that Moz is now back in charge of reissues etc?
Surely the complete BBC sessions/ Troy Tate mixes are next?

Anyway the TQID 'demos' are mostly pretty pointless imo but the artwork is nice; amusing to see this as the inside cover artwork

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/data/attachment-files/2017/10/40937_Smiths-800x530.jpg

I believe that was something Johnny Marr saw and sent it to Morrissey with a "have you seen this?" message, M said no he hadn't but wow.

It's in Johnny's book, I believe.

ha yeah it's a great picture.

Artwork overall is shit though. They ruined an iconic sleeve, then replicated the shite format across 2 other LPs and a box. Very, very poor, imo. I wish Morrissey would leave the artwork alone. I won't buy any of his solo reissues because the sleeves / running order has been destroyed. The green and pink on TQID is iconic and he fucked it up with this plain, black shit. Expect everyone else to say they love it, but whatever.

Hatful of Hollow should have stayed blue.

Louder Than Bombs needs to be orange -- don't tell me it's not orange anymore!?
Agree about original color schemes of Smiths albums in particular. Maybe just because I stared at them a lot.

hatful of hollow not being blue is abominable

how the fuck do you not include the Salford Lads Club image? It's ridiculous. Can't believe Moz removed it because he hates Mike Joyce.

I can believe Moz removed it because he hates Mike Joyce.

little moz, what now?

someone rip me a copy of the reissue because I don't want to give Moz any more of my money

happy to do that for you Dan

at least he used the same picture for the cover, unlike whatever the fuck he keeps doing with his solo catalog

It's on Spotify. No chance of me giving real money to Ukip.

oh actually it's a different picture but at least it's close enough, not some garish full color photo of morrissey's face

xp Fairly easy to find on Soulseek too

don't Smiths royalties all still go to Joyce anyway?

Do they? I was just making an assumption.

unlikely

all Morrissey's royalties on Smiths sales were supposedly going to Joyce until the judgement on his second lawsuit was paid off (basically bcz Moz refused to go to court, so Joyce got a default judgment placing a lien on Moz's cut)

this was in 2001 from a 1996 lawsuit, so maybe they've sold enough millions of records since then to polish off the debt. seems

unlikely

though

what's this about Hatful not being blue anymore??

https://www.discogs.com/The-Smiths-Hatful-Of-Hollow/release/6342695

i think people are mistaking a t-shirt in a photo for the actual album