Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

lol Iago that is so mindboggingly wrong, unless you spelt "WaPo" wrong in which case, yeah I guess

From a distance it seems like most here supported her in the primary. Is that correct?

What, in terms of active, regular posters? I would say this is decidedly not correct

Iago, you've clearly been mainlining some Trumpist news sources throughout this election. Facts are generally pretty easy to discern when you exercise a little skepticism wrt the things that loud, crazy people are telling you.

Meanwhile, ILX alum Mr Read was on the cspan today, talking about fake news and taking calls.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?418867-5/washington-journal-max-read-internet-fake-news-democracy

I'd like to thank Cspan's auto-transcriber for the new display name.

I guess one of the major factors that separate Trump supporters from everybody else is that everybody else can say, "I support these sources from which I get my news to varying degrees, but I have my issues with them and they're often full of shit and I still feel compelled to go over their reportage with a fine-toothed comb" instead of "YOU TELL ME THING IN LOUD VOICE LIKE MY DADDY, THING MUST BE TRUE, E-MAIL SERVERS AND MURDERED FBI MEN!"

We need like a whole crew of Jerky Boys-style pranksters calling up Trump Tower professing to be the heads of state of Freedonia, Equestria, Agrabah, Zembla, etc.

"@realdonaldtrump - Received a great congratulatory phone call today from the king of Narnia. I assured him that we would work together to make great, great deals that would benefit both people and fauns bigly. Glad!"

@realdonaldtrump - Got great congratulatory call from the Westeros ambassador today. Plan to meet soon over Trump Tower Tacos to discuss future of Westeros trade policy!

@realdonaldtrump - Just had a great conversation with the Lilliputian Prime Minister! Lilliputian people are terrific, just terrific.

@realdonaldtrump - Great, friendly people in Westeros. Got invited to the kings wedding next month, wouldn't take no for an answer!

This just in, Trump appointing Herman Cain as ambassador to Becky-becky-becky-stan

They have good hair there. The best hair.

this was not a one-post joke lads

Trump is apparently going to be like two blocks from my work for the rest of the week. Which should make getting around a huge pain the ass. I hope I can contribute to making his stay a huge pain in his ass.

We need like a whole crew of Jerky Boys-style pranksters calling up Trump Tower professing to be the heads of state of Freedonia, Equestria, Agrabah, Zembla, etc.

"@realdonaldtrump - Received a great congratulatory phone call today from the king of Narnia. I assured him that we would work together to make great, great deals that would benefit both people and fauns bigly. Glad!"

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:27 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

@realdonaldtrump - Got great congratulatory call from the Westeros ambassador today. Plan to meet soon over Trump Tower Tacos to discuss future of Westeros trade policy!

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:29 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

@realdonaldtrump - Just had a great conversation with the Lilliputian Prime Minister! Lilliputian people are terrific, just terrific.

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:33 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

@realdonaldtrump - Great, friendly people in Westeros. Got invited to the kings wedding next month, wouldn't take no for an answer!

― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:35 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This just in, Trump appointing Herman Cain as ambassador to Becky-becky-becky-stan

― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:36 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They have good hair there. The best hair.

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:37 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can mods delete all of this please

this is the best one of these. so much laughing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyEXshBOwEU

x-post: Meh. Seemed more constructive than arguing with Iago...

that is brutal to watch xp

yeah, it kinda is. oh how we laughed and laughed...

does anyone remember laughter

i think back to the weekend after the grab em by the pussy tape when his campaign was in free fall and i cannot believe we are here now

like on a daily basis i still think HOW THE FUCK DID THIS HAPPEN

i know many of you have moved on and are now in pragmatic resistance mode but i still feel like im in a bad nightmare most of the time. everyday i have at least one moment of absolute panic tihnking about this

staying in pragmatic resistance mode is a constant effort for me tbh, rest assured we are in the same general mental space

xp yeah i hear you. for me it's been a wakeup call to reassess what being a citizen means and to take my time and my voice more seriously. It's not that I have that much power, it's that we all do and we need to start using it intelligently to roll this fucking boulder back up the mountain before the next one starts coming down.

I mean I just got an "Emergency Call" from my school district reassuring me that all immigrants are welcome at the District and they will not cooperate with deportation efforts etc

xp

Pragmatic resistance is the conscious choice for moving forward, and I'm trying to keep things on the positive and constructive tip, but a day hasn't passed where I don't feel like we've been shunted into the most sinister timeline imaginable. I've been having stress nightmares like you wouldn't believe.

I was 12 and living under 2 miles from the Pentagon on 9/11 and I trained myself then to wall myself off emotionally from major world events, I've been basically fine since the 10th. Don't know if that's healthy exactly.

My first thoughts in the days after the election were about finishing my history degree and becoming a teacher, maybe have some tiny impact on the world... but that looks increasingly futile.

Any billionaires want to sponsor a secular humanist private school?

I don't think it's futile at all, man. I've been thinking similar thoughts. If small, positive changes are all that any one of us is capable of, it's enough. And doing something has to be better than doing nothing.

i think back to the weekend after the grab em by the pussy tape when his campaign was in free fall and i cannot believe we are here now

yeah I remember getting a call the day after from the Dem office here asking if I wanted to canvass - already had plans so I couldn't but I told the guy, "I'm not really all that worried anymore, but I'll help Feingold out if I can"

I mean, even before that, the week after the DNC where he was just going nuts in general, backstabbing his own campaign people and attacking the Khans, I thought "surely this is over"

fast forward to now and I still hear people all the time saying "it's just unfortunate it came down to...these...two" and I guess I kind of understand

I think it's wise to limit the amount of psychic space you give Trump as much as you can -- stay aware, focus on where you can have an impact, and live your life.

if everybody goes out and kills one Trump voter each i'm sure it'll add up to something positive

yeah in general I am limiting my news consumption tbh, it just isn't productive for me to fixate on, I'm trying to stay focused on the small pleasures and just generally being willing to contribute to/participate in whatever actions are open to me (donating money, volunteering, showing up at meetings + protests, signing petitions etc.)

I don't think it's futile at all, man. I've been thinking similar thoughts. If small, positive changes are all that any one of us is capable of, it's enough. And doing something has to be better than doing nothing.

The thing that opened my eyes was when I found out that the dude who was the rising star of St*rmfr*t had his worldview challenged not only by his college social circle but by his medieval history classes, one of which was taught by a friend from college that I sang with. You really never know who you're going to impact, or how.

regarding news, subscribing to news, and avoiding news: I paid for TPM Prime so I don't have to read it, is basically what happened

I think it's wise to limit the amount of psychic space you give Trump as much as you can -- stay aware, focus on where you can have an impact, and live your life.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:24 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is fantastic advice and something i've been ignoring a little. thank you.

The thing that opened my eyes was when I found out that the dude who was the rising star of St*rmfr*t had his worldview challenged not only by his college social circle but by his medieval history classes, one of which was taught by a friend from college that I sang with. You really never know who you're going to impact, or how.

― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:45 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That WaPo article was a fantastic read-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-white-flight-of-derek-black/2016/10/15/ed5f906a-8f3b-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html

my wife watches CNN in the morning before work so when I turn on the TV after work it's on. usually Anderson Cooper. but I can't physically stomach it anymore - that one loudmouth blonde Trump surrogate (not Kellyanne, the other one) is always on and yesterday they were all fellating Trump over "saving 1000 American jobs"...like, wow, he's doing it already!! were we WRONG about Donald Trump????

clinton+email site:nytimes.com
About 6,700,000 results (0.85 seconds)

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:57 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

clinton+iraq war site:nytimes.com
About 31,200 results (0.43 seconds)

clinton+bailout site:nytimes.com
About 12,000 results (0.33 seconds)

NYT focused so much on emails bc its a huge pressing issue requiring 200 times the attention compared to the 21st century's defining international conflict and 500 times the attention given to the US financial industry recklessly ODing on our retirement money then given another crack rock wrapped in a Get Out of Jail Free Card.

the emails were the useful scandal - already old news, needlessly complicated, confusing, unsexy, and seemed like looking for a needle in a haystack. the emails are a great way to silence leftist dissent ("What do you mean they weren't critical, they talked about emails!").

Or, you know, perhaps Clinton wasn't actually at fault for the Iraq war and the bailout?

Does the person who released the access hollywood tape in October blame themselves for all of this, given what may have happened if it were released the week before the election instead?

it would be fun to mail that post back to a person living in 1993, in a "hey this is what 2016 is like, pretty fucked up, right" way

much more egregious was the three weeks of nonstop reporting on the Clinton Foundation, "asking questions" but never finding any real evidence of wrongdoing or corruption, while AT THE SAME TIME a single reporter from the Post was uncovering unethical and blatantly illegal shit from the Trump Foundation on a daily basis, and yet total silence from the media

I said it at the time- secret corruption is exciting, blatant corruption is boring.

Does the person who released the access hollywood tape in October blame themselves for all of this, given what may have happened if it were released the week before the election instead?

or the '95 tax returns? god who knows. I truly feel awful for Huma's role in all this, I can't imagine how she feels right now

Looking for clues and reading between the lines and putting puzzle pieces together is fun. That shit goes viral and gets upvotes and generates conversations and sharing. It resembles the kind of fun one has with characters in movies or HBO shows.

xpost to self

Trump's dirt isn't very exciting in that regard. It's all just there. So much so that it's exhausting to sift through and the impact of any particular scandal is dulled in context.

Blatant corruption makes you feel hopeless--like it's already RIGHT THERE and nothing happened to it, fighting it now is probably a losing battle. Whereas SECRETS make you feel like you can be powerful just by TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING that *someone* doesn't want talked about. Way easier lift.

And with secret corruption, who knows how big it could be?!

yeah good point. the email "scandal" was fascinating in that everyone could look into it and find their own opinions of Hillary reflected right back at them. those 33,000 deleted emails could be ANYTHING! plans to sell off gov't secrets, MURDER PLOTS PERHAPS??

but I disagree with Evan on one thing, Trump's dirt almost certainly isn't all "out there"...yes, there's a lot out there, but given how basically everyone who ever worked for him or was married to him had to sign a massive NDA, who knows?

clinton deserved the criticism she got for her iraq vote but seems odd that joe biden basically never got any for his