oh yes, choice quotes in there.
“Before being a fundamental mistake, life is a failure of taste which neither death nor even poetry succeeds in correcting.”
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 09:21 (seven years ago) link
the gods take no thought for our happiness. only for our punishment.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 07:51 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2pcxo3XUAEF32S.jpg:small
-- bob marley seneca
― mookieproof, Friday, 20 January 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
stoicism is not pessimism!!!
― j., Friday, 20 January 2017 22:44 (seven years ago) link
More context for Seneca, Natural Questions Book III, 29.5-10:
So whenever the end of human history arrives, when the earth's parts have to perish and all be utterly destroyed, in order that primitive, innocent people may be created afresh and no teacher of worse behavior may survive, then more liquid will be produced than there has ever been before. For at present the elements are weighted out ous required. One of them needs to be increased so that an imbalance may upset the current equilibium. Water will be increased: for now there is enough to encircle the land, but not to cover it; whatever you add to it must overflow into alien territory. So consider whether the earth does not also need to be diminished, so that the weaker may succumb to the stronger. So it will begin to decay, thent to decompose and turn to liquid, and to dissolve into a steady stream of putrefaction. Then rivers will spring up beneath mountains and make them crumble under the onslaught. Then fields that are affected become soddon; the the ground will exude water; the mountaintops will bubble over. Just as healthy parts become diseased, and an ulcer spreads to adjacent areas, so the regions closed to land that is already awash will themselves dissolve and forme a trickle, then a fast current; then, as rocks gape apart all over the place, they will rush through the channels and join up all the seas. The Adriatic will be no more, nor the strats of the Sicilian sea, nor Charybdis, nor Scylla. The new sea will overwhelm all those myths, and the ocean that now encyrcles the land, assigned to its outer edges, will reach the center. What happens next? Winter will cling on to the months that do not belong to it, summer will be kept out, and all the heavenly bodies that dry up the earth will fade away, with their heat suppressed. So many famous names will disappear, the Caspian and Red seas, the Ambracian and Cretan gulfs, the Propontis and the Black Sea, when that deluge spreads a single sea over everything. All distinctions will disappear; everything that has its own place assigned by nature will be mixed together. No one will be protected by city walls or by towers. Temples will be no use to worshippers, nor the highest points of cities, for the waves will overtake them and pull them down even from the citadels. Waters will converge from the west and from the east. A single day will bury the human race. All that fortune's indulgence has fostered for so long, all it has elevated above the rest, the noble and the honored alike, and the kingdoms of great nations, all will be sent to the bottom.
― this device is capable of killing you without warning (Sanpaku), Saturday, 21 January 2017 04:56 (seven years ago) link
(typos all mine)
― this device is capable of killing you without warning (Sanpaku), Saturday, 21 January 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, Jerry Bruckheimer, 1st century style.
dunked right in fukuyama's jaw
― mookieproof, Saturday, 21 January 2017 05:01 (seven years ago) link
sluices for douches
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Saturday, 21 January 2017 05:10 (seven years ago) link
Still doesn't sound that pessimistic, he seems comforted by all that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 January 2017 12:32 (seven years ago) link
that's a beautiful passage.
― ryan, Saturday, 21 January 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
(it is interesting to consider how something like stoicism or other pre-modern forms of wisdom--like buddhism maybe--tend to sound like pessimism to modern ears)
― ryan, Saturday, 21 January 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
It is lovely.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 January 2017 14:50 (seven years ago) link
Beautiful.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 21 January 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
tosh
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Saturday, 21 January 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
albaniaaaaaa
albaniaaaaaaa
you border on
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― j., Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
aaand your main export is _______
― mookieproof, Saturday, 21 January 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
someone tweeted this one today, from the master:
"Our existence is happiest when we perceive it least; from this it follows that it would be better not to have it." -- Schopenhauer
― ryan, Saturday, 28 January 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
I dunno if Russell Hoban counts as an anguished philosopher but it's his birthday, from Turtle Diary:
People write books for children and other people write about the books written for children but I don't think it's for the children at all. I that all the people who worry so much about the children are really worrying about themselves, about keeping their world together and getting the children to help them do it, getting the children to agree that it is indeed a world. Each new generation of children has to be told: 'This is a world, this is what one does, one lives like this.' Maybe our constant fear is that a generation of children will come along and say: 'This is not a world, this is nothing, there's no way to live at all.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 4 February 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C377vV6XAAAjb91.jpg
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/essays/chapter4.html
The road dividing the two, as far as our well-being and enjoyment of life are concerned, is downhill; the dreaminess of childhood, the joyousness of youth, the troubles of middle age, the infirmity and frequent misery of old age, the agonies of our last illness, and finally the struggle with death — do all these not make one feel that existence is nothing but a mistake, the consequences of which are becoming gradually more and more obvious?
― j., Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:44 (seven years ago) link
Schopenhauer was a pretty intense guy
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:51 (seven years ago) link
he's so right
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:53 (seven years ago) link
I don't think existence is a mistake, because we don't really have much of a choice in it; even committing suicide has biological roadblocks to it. Enjoy the ride, then you die, because it's going to happen anyway. What else can ya really do.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:57 (seven years ago) link
bitch about it in beautiful prose.
― ryan, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link
just going by that quote, the answer clearly is to commit suicide before you hit middle age
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link
I've seen people have ball into their 80s. If Schopenhauer took the stick out of his ass and partied a little, maybe he would've had a different view of things.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:00 (seven years ago) link
* a ball
idk if u read enough about gnarly living conditions anytime pre-second half of 20th century, life really become intolerably painful a few decades in, i could see rational suicide just in that 'fuck it' mode. but middle age is much less troubling and old age much less infirm and miserable now than it was in Schope's day, so imo we ought not complain
― flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:05 (seven years ago) link
If there's one thing I know, it's life in excruciating pain. Not only that, but there's a good chance I'm going to die a horrible death in my 40s or 50s, which is coming soon. Schopenhauer has no idea what he's talking about as far as that goes; Nietzsche was a thousand times worse off than him and somehow found out how to have a better attitude.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link
you're a lot less funny than schopenhauer
― j., Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm a lot less a lot of things than Schopenhauer. Big deal.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 06:05 (seven years ago) link
i wonder if schopenhauer would feel so down in the dumps if he ate more fibre or took up badminton
― ogmor, Thursday, 23 February 2017 09:33 (seven years ago) link
Who knows, maybe his philosophical viewpoint was caused by a bad diet. That's about how deep and meaningful things are in life, I've found.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 11:03 (seven years ago) link
lots of things with simple causes can still be articulated spectacularly & profoundly, and something having a straightforward cause doesn't necessarily make it any more straightforward to deal with
― ogmor, Thursday, 23 February 2017 11:43 (seven years ago) link
"You've got forever; and somehow you can't do much with it. You've got forever; and it's a mile wide and an inch deep and full of alligators."
― the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:21 (six years ago) link
Jim Thompson
oooh I like that
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:35 (six years ago) link
I was curious about the regard for Cioran in his homeland:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/45/36/9f/45369ffa1a48d1120144c62425fcb2ea.jpghttp://www.sculpture.ro/photos/1_1382548347.jpghttp://static4.evz.ro/image-gal-604/2014-11/bustul-lui-emil-cioran-in-rasinari.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/thumb/7/79/Emil_Cioran-bust.JPG/675px-Emil_Cioran-bust.JPG
Seriously doubt this would bring him any real pleasure, but perhaps a puckish chuckle.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
Top right is brutal. It's like the Eiffel tower with his head stuck on top.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/09/scholarly-advice-for-dark-times
― ryan, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link
From a James Wood essay about Bohumil Hrabal:
Hrabal sometimes said that he rooted his comedy in one of his favourite findings, a dry-cleaner’s receipt, which read: ‘Some stains can be removed only by the destruction of the material itself.’
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 08:14 (five years ago) link
Ha
― Et Dieu crea l' (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link
Been reading Thacker's "Infinite Resignation"--and while I wasn't very impressed at first it has grown on me. Hopelessly "academic" (as that needless academic qualifier in the title gives away, even fucking resignation has to be xtreme now!), since it's as much about reading the great pessimists and thinking about pessimism as a form of thinking as it is an instance of the thing itself. Sometimes quotes from Cioran or whoever come up and they are bracing in their directness, which Thacker by contrast often places at a kind of theoretical remove--as if he's asking what it means to see the world this way rather than directly feeling it, maybe he's only tempted. Not always, of course,...though T's pessimism is very different from his (our?) heroes because it's so damn secular and prosaic...no "tears of the saints" here...Raises the question if there could be a "Book of Disquiet" for the hyper-connected 21st century...I think the disgust is there but not often those quiet solitary lost hours which seem to be the necessary environment for, say, Cioran envying the freedom of the stillborn...
― ryan, Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
Nope, 37:40 evolved into Jackie Moore - This Time Baby (1979)
― Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Sunday, 19 August 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
Wrong thread, sorry.
Satiation is the point at which you must face the existential revelation that you didn’t really want what you seemed so desperate to have, that your most urgent desires are only a filthy vitalist trick to keep the show on the road. If you can’t replace the fear or the thrill of the chase why stir yourself to persue yet another empty kill? Why carry on with the charade?
― 29 facepalms, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:08 (five years ago) link
Nothing matters very much and few things matter at all
Arthur Balfour
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link