Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

your job is to report the facts and to do so in a neutral, unbiased manner.

By this argument, it is completely legitimate for MSM to run an article titled "Donald Trump Claims, 2+2=5; Others Disagree" and call it a day.

Useful idiots dept: https://www.thenation.com/article/rand-paul-will-do-whatever-it-takes-to-block-donald-trumps-hawkish-secretary-of-state-picks/

your job is to report the facts and to do so in a neutral, unbiased manner.

this is the trouble: too many political reporters think this is their job.

oh yeah, never been happier for the existence of Rand Paul than right now.

And it's not just the reporters' fault. A buddy who works for an international newspaper gets resistance from editors who wonder why he's getting "political" for offering refutations of lies in stories.

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By this argument, it is completely legitimate for MSM to run an article titled "Donald Trump Claims, 2+2=5; Others Disagree" and call it a day.

up until Trump's hotel/birther stunt this is pretty much how they were treating him isn't it? they kept writing that his claims were "controversial" or were "stretching the truth" instead of what they really were: baldfaced, easily disprovable lies

I remember getting really irritated at a person who had voted Trump and part of the reason why was that he just didn't trust Hillary, quoting that "we were under sniper fire" line as proof of her being untrustworthy. I was like..."you do realize that this is how Trump talks all the time, like all day every day? Half the things he says are literally made up". And he said..."well, that's what the media wants you to believe". How do you even argue with that?

you don't

you find two voters to render that guy's vote irrelevant, is what you do

otm

trying to sway voters who won't hear facts that contradict their worldview is a waste of time

The NYT is inarguably problematic, and supporting it by subscribing may be more symbolic than anything else, but I've made a personal pledge to do what I can to support the institutions that are so intrinsic to the fiber of this country that we mostly take them for granted and that our president-elect casually attempts to delegitimize. So if, for instance, he chooses to target particular outlets in his perpetual demonstration of contempt towards the 1st Amendment, I'll happily throw some money to those outlets. It's a gesture for its own sake but I'll continue to grudgingly hope that the influx of support spurs some quid pro quo in the form of actual journalism with a minimum of compromise.

Some people's idea of "fair" (or neutral, or unbiased, or whatever) means you have to spend exactly half your time being nice to Party A and mean to Party B, and the other half being nice to Party B and mean to Party A.

Because if the populace is roughly divided in half, then surely the truth is as well. I guess.

This is the "on the other hand, Mr. Hitler contends..." phenomenon.

It is, and has always been, a stupid way of evaluating media fairness.

Dude has definitely inspired a strain of crazy, drunk and stupid to act like it is ok to publicly freak out in his name. You could probably do a running thread of Trumpers gone Wild. It seems like there is someone daily in the news freaking out in restaurants, airplanes, stores on a daily basis with people capturing it on video.

In casual conversation over the past few months around here I have heard so much hearsay and lunacy passed off as fact, I kind of feel like I am living in "They Live". It was so pervasive around here, I sadly wasn't as surprised he won in many ways.

Meanwhile news happened:

In an unexpected sighting Tuesday, former Vice President Dan Quayle showed up at Trump Tower to offer his "personal congratulations" to President-elect Donald Trump, who has been meeting with potential Cabinet picks this afternoon.

"I was in the area and I stopped by to see the president-elect to offer personal congratulations to him. I talked to him recently on the phone," Quayle told reporters following his meeting. "Things are in good hands. He's moving forward and he's going to make America great again."

oh man

cabinet post in 3...2...1...

once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag

he looks super old, but its the flip side of looking super young in the late 80s..

I guess the company he works for pumped money into the trump campaign so he gets to kiss the ring.

The best thing about a trump presidency is that in all likelihood at some point in the not-too-distant future he will not be president. I look forward to him being an ex-president.

I look forward to him rotting in an unmarked grave

and Trump too

If he were savvier he'd be more dangerous, but as it is I dislike Dan Quayle more than most surviving politicos: a cynical, hungry little chiseler with a brain smaller than a sauropod's.

I'm so glad the children of today can experience the 80's just like we did; ghostbusters, dan quayle. maybe crack will make a big comeback

hell Reagan never went away. Neither did Duran Duran

Can someone start making quaaludes again? Kind of sad I missed out on those.

Jesus Christ, flag burning? Are we doomed to relive all of the '90s culture wars?

Absolutely, get 2Live Crew on tour again

i sort of hope the republicans waste a lot of time on flag burning legislation tbh. something useless and time consuming that won't hold up in court

continuing in my "greatest hits of hyperbolic numbered lists of shit to watch out for"

https://medium.com/@nziehl/coping-with-chaos-in-the-white-house-697fa2ca3ddf#.7rios21qa

I love that "flying monkeys" is a technical term from "the literature" on NPD

i sort of hope the republicans waste a lot of time on flag burning legislation tbh. something useless and time consuming that won't hold up in court

― k3vin k.

For a couple more months, anyway.

i sort of hope the republicans waste a lot of time on flag burning legislation tbh. something useless and time consuming that won't hold up in court

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:43 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol otm

OT re: sumac or other odd ingredients, try vitacost.com. Things I've had endless headaches finding elsewhere (like the veggie better than boullion) are there for about 2/3 of what they cost on Amz. eg, 12 oz sumac for $4.49.

My first reaction upon reading of the flag burning tweet: What other gaffe is he trying to hide today?

I'm kinda hoping my usual inputs stop reporting on Trump tweets. Yes, we all know he's a knuckle dragger, but its not news, and its being used to distract from actual perils.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyeU0lVVEAEOQQu.jpg

something Lynchian about this

trump looks like he's about to eat mitt

only in America would two plutocratic teetotalers eat an exquisite meal.

how is it possible they can eat a meal without a glass of wine?

Mitt's caption: how can I excuse myself before becoming the 3rd course.

Blink twice if you're there against your will, Mitt.

Mitt, I'm sure we can find 19 electors.

NYT at least pretending to wrestle with the advisability of treating Trump's diarrhea drops like news and considering reader opinion on the matter

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/laura-ingraham-lifezette/

did u guys talk about this article yet?

But a closer look reveals that some of the biggest fake news providers were run by experienced political operators well within the orbit of Donald Trump’s political advisers and consultants.

Laura Ingraham, a close Trump ally currently under consideration to be Trump’s White House press secretary, owns an online publisher called Ingraham Media Group that runs a number of sites, including LifeZette, a news site that frequently posts articles of dubious veracity. One video produced by LifeZette this summer, ominously titled “Clinton Body Count,” promoted a conspiracy theory that the Clinton family had some role in the plane crash death of John F. Kennedy, Jr., as well as the deaths of various friends and Democrats.

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But LifeZette, for all its influence, pales in comparison to the sites run by Floyd Brown, a Republican consultant close to Trump’s inner circle of advisers. Brown gained notoriety nearly three decades ago for his role in helping to produce the “Willie Horton” campaign advertisement, a spot criticized for its use of racial messaging to derail Michael Dukakis’s presidential bid. Brown is also the political mentor of David Bossie, an operative who went to work for Trump’s presidential campaign this year after founding the Citizens United group. In an interview this year, Brown called Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway a “longtime friend.”

Brown now produces a flow of reliably pro-Trump Internet content through a company he co-owns with his family called Liftable Media Inc., which operates a number of high-impact, tabloid-style news outlets that exploded in size over the course of the election. One of Brown’s sites, Western Journalism, is the 81st largest site in the U.S. with 13 million monthly unique monthly visitors, according to rankings maintained by the site Alexa. Another, called Conservative Tribune, is the 50th largest site with over 19 million monthly unique visitors. Liftable Media is run on a day to day basis by Brown’s son, Patrick, who is the president of Liftable Media.

But LifeZette, for all its influence, pales in comparison to the sites run by Floyd Brown, a Republican consultant close to Trump’s inner circle of advisers. Brown gained notoriety nearly three decades ago for his role in helping to produce the “Willie Horton” campaign advertisement, a spot criticized for its use of racial messaging to derail Michael Dukakis’s presidential bid. Brown is also the political mentor of David Bossie, an operative who went to work for Trump’s presidential campaign this year after founding the Citizens United group. In an interview this year, Brown called Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway a “longtime friend.”

Brown now produces a flow of reliably pro-Trump Internet content through a company he co-owns with his family called Liftable Media Inc., which operates a number of high-impact, tabloid-style news outlets that exploded in size over the course of the election. One of Brown’s sites, Western Journalism, is the 81st largest site in the U.S. with 13 million monthly unique monthly visitors, according to rankings maintained by the site Alexa. Another, called Conservative Tribune, is the 50th largest site with over 19 million monthly unique visitors. Liftable Media is run on a day to day basis by Brown’s son, Patrick, who is the president of Liftable Media.

this sort of willful spreading of misinformation, fear and confusion is a kind of terrorism.

hey all you have to do is google James Conway, Kellyanne's husband, whom I first learned about in the late '90s.

well Mitt totally caved, because of course he did

republicans are cowards, degenerates, and perverts

why are we using the term "fake news" to describe propaganda?

Was talking to a friend about this today -- facebook has no need to "play censor" or fact-check every article, it should just ban egregious websites.