Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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Trump suggests loss of citizenship or jail for those who burn U.S. flags

ok so dude is now more or less encouraging people who protest him to burn flags. awesome. is this bannon at work?

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link

this is an obvious provocation, just like all his tweets. dnftt

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link

Someone pointed out that Fox News had a report on flag burning right before Trump tweeted. He's not a provocateur, nor a machiavellian genius who uses social media to distract from his true agenda. He's an idiot with no attention span.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link

One thing I'm definitely not wasting a lot of time or energy on in the next four years is overanalyzing Trump's tweets. Deliberate distraction, telegraphing his plans, 11-dimensional chess or stupid childish outburst -- what difference does any of this make to organizing against his agenda?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

yeah I just saw this. he's a moron. trump's razor strikes again.

Katherine Faulders (KFaulders)
Timing of Trump's tweet lines up w/ Fox segment at 6:25AM on students burning the flag foxnews.com/us/2016/11/28/… twitter.com/realDonaldTrum…

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

that is pretty funny though

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

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A testy John McCain to reporters: "I will not speak about Donald Trump, and I do not want to be asked again."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PTX-uLKMqV8/Ubt_sOSKTjI/AAAAAAAAMWs/ZPfoSvq54rs/s1600/respond-to-it.gif

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link

that is hilarious xp

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link

it almost seemss like he's a right-wing chauncey gardner, speaking from the heart with childlike simplicity and having everyone read in deep strategizing

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link

obviously ben carson is the right wing chauncey gardner

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 8m 8 minutes ago
New Rogue One Trailer has Darth Vader. Thought he died in Return of the Jedi. Confusing!

nomar, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

If Dan Quayle is coming back to Washington, we need Candice Bergen back on TV posthaste. And with more than a voice cameo on Bojack Horseman.

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

New York Times subscription growth soars tenfold, adding 132,000, after Trump's win

This is heartening (our household just became NYT and WaPo subscribers this weekend), and it's something I'd love to see happen wrt every entity that opposes the Trump administration or that the Trump administration opposes. Like, expect the worst (e.g. Planned Parenthood being totally defunded) and put your money toward offsetting the worst. When the holidays are over and I can budget for it, I'm setting up automatic monthly donations for PP (among others).

And maybe everyone can just, like, refuse to pay federal taxes for the next four years, as well? That'd be cool.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link

no need to refuse when they're gonna be slashed in half anyway

k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 8m 8 minutes ago
New Rogue One Trailer has Darth Vader. Thought he died in Return of the Jedi. Confusing!

― nomar, Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:30 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Donald Trump just telegraphed a terrifying plan to rebuild the Death Star. --Vox

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link

ACLU, PP, WaPo, NYT have been my focus also. also thinking about contributing to the LA senate race- anybody see that as viable? xxp

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link

TBF 132,000 is really not a lot of people.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link

I gave to the LA senate race. While it is seen as a longshot by "typical" election standards, this is not a typical election at all. And past LA senate runoff elections have been won with fewer votes than Hillary lost LA with.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

I gave too.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link

xxpost I would assume, relatively speaking wrt getting people to pay for digital or print content that isn't super cheap, that that probably is a lot of people. Particularly over just a couple of weeks.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link

Oh I think it's a ton of people by "paid subscription" standards, I just don't think it's a ton of people by "meaningful political action" standards.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

xp you can also see it as money that will help build the party in Louisiana even if he loses

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

^^^

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link

In re Trump's filters and sources of information, I'm sure plenty of other people have noted this, but it's instructive to look at which 40 Twitter accounts he officially follows.

birthday party, cheesecake, jelly beans, boom (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link

NYT was pretty much the worst major newspaper offender during this election idk why anyone would think they're suddenly going to be the righteous opposition

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

the hicks who voted for trump don't read the NYT

k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link

NYT is a thought leader in the media tho and drove a lot of the never ending email coverage and equivocation. and it wasn't just hicks that voted for trump.

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link

Mordy otm

I am kinda pissed at the NYT these days. WaPo was way more aggressive w Trump.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link

I've been pissed at the NYT since Ferguson, they are bootlickers

sleeve, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link

they seem all too happy to let Trump completely control the media narrative. Their headline today is about this flag-burning nonsense.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link

the hicks who voted for trump don't read the NYT

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:17 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obviously we need some strategy beyond coastal media to reach people in swing states. Maybe papers in florida, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, PA etc. are better targets of support. There's also obviously a need for some kind of non-traditional media that can reach non-newspaper readers. I feel like there must be some possibility of a "left Breitbart" (which should not by any means actually be modeled on Breitbart, since that wouldn't work for the left).

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

have we mentioned yet that the popular vote is now the largest margin in 140 years?

what the fuck

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

huh? no it's not

k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

I feel like there must be some possibility of a "left Breitbart"

isn't that what Huffpo is

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

I'm a stan of Chapo Trap House, which obviously has a highly limited appeal, but I think there might be something to learn from their approach, which dispenses with some of the high seriousness of a lot of left internet media.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

high seriousness and also reaction gifs

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link

in any case we need a counter to john oliver/john stewart 'buhhhh REALLY'??/mugging at the camera kind of humor

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link

'republican said/did a thing'

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link

re NYT - I feel like the biggest stories they had in the campaign were due to the fact that they were the ones who got the leaked pages from trumps tax return in the 90s. its not because they had reporters grinding it out.

the times were also the most egregious of posting news 'stories' that were posted and written in advance that didn't even accurately reflect what the fuck actually happened at the event/speech/whatever they were covering.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link

We just subscribed to the NYT even though I was not thrilled with them during the election. Feel like there's a potential onslaught coming and they're better than nothing.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link

xpz yr right, a friend misstated a maddow argument i should've double checked but it had an msnbc link. maddow is making a different argument [that confused my fb friend]
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/long-reach-to-find-precedent-for-2016-popular-vote-gap-in-us-past-816737347527?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link

btw i think NYT did a terrible job and also i've had a sub to them for about a decade so i mean their reporting is really the without comparison most of the time they just stunk this election cycle. esp their foreign coverage is worth subbing for.

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link

It pains me to think a penny of my money is going to David Brooks, Thomas Friedman or Ross Douthat

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link

I think the nyt is 'okay' but I think the story of this election was that the nytimes matters less than patriotnewsrepublic.info and deplorableyorktimes.org and it has less control over the news narrative than it ever has.

pestering mark zuckerberg to push the nytimes harder on peoples' news feeds ultimately matters more than # of subscriptions.

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

NYT just hired a friend of mine who won a Pulitzer this year and she just had a baby, please don't take food away from my friend's baby

¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link

One thing I'm definitely not wasting a lot of time or energy on in the next four years is overanalyzing Trump's tweets. Deliberate distraction, telegraphing his plans, 11-dimensional chess or stupid childish outburst -- what difference does any of this make to organizing against his agenda?

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:27 (one hour ago) Permalink

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:11 (seven years ago) link

Obviously we need some strategy beyond coastal media to reach people in swing states. Maybe papers in florida, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, PA etc. are better targets of support.

I agree that buying newspaper subscriptions won't turn the tide.

IMO it's just one of those gestural defiance things. Like right-wingers' support of Chik-Fil-A and Yeungling and Duck Dynasty. Or lefties' spending at Penzey's (which is entirely justified BTW, no one else has sumac). Or the do-si-do recently where Land's End had Gloria Steinem in the catalog and right-wingers howled they'd boycott the company... until the company reversed course, which meant that all the lefties were suddenly NEVER AGAIN going to buy their quite sensible clothing etc. etc. We went through this with Domino's as well.

The traditional print media (of which I am an extremely sentimental veteran) have been mercilessly targeted as both out of touch (lamestream) and economically doomed. If this is a shot in the arm for that particular terminal patient, okay. It won't make much difference but it's a tiny avenue of resistance.

That said, I don't think there are all that many nonsyndicated "papers in florida, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, PA." Even the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, with its rich Pulitzer history, is a watered-down clone of a thousand other faux-local papers. Most small-market newspapers are about as local as Clear Channel radio stations where all the programming comes from a central computer but they slightly alter the traffic reports and requests so as to "localize" the content and make it sound homegrown.

105.3 in Tampa says "here's the latest from Maroon 5, going out to Katie from Tarpon Springs!" Meanwhile 106.3 in Richmond is playing the same song, only they introduce it with "here's the latest from Maroon 5, going out to Katie from Northside!"

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link

I spent way too long going "... Tampon Springs?"

¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link

as many problems as I had with the way the MSM would cover certain things they were put in a tough position. your job is to report the facts and to do so in a neutral, unbiased manner. that becomes much more difficult when one candidate is so much objectively worse than the other. if you do nothing but report negative Trump stories then you get picked apart for being biased or partisan...but then again, how do you handle a candidate like this?

at the end of the day I suspect people who subscribe to the NYT or watch CNN overwhelmingly voted for Hillary, but what do I know?

frogbs, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link

I wish someone had figured out (or will figure out) how to do fresher and more interesting local content in the internet era. Like if someone had taken the alt weeklies and actually figured out how to keep them local and exciting rather than blanding them into the ground, for example.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:18 (seven years ago) link


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