Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

you know Andrew Jackson right

Also, there's no issue that matters as much to me as climate change, as there's no other issue as likely to kill billions by the end of the century. I'd vote for Satan if he had a better green energy plan. Sorry, that's where I am.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/

seems like my suspicions about that wapo article were warranted and that this propornot site lacks any credibility

reading their twitter account i actually think fred is their leader

Glenn Greenwald also lacks credibility

i see

I mean like I also lack credibility, who am I, what is true

http://i.imgur.com/8xOhIqO.png

Romney would be no different on climate change than Trump will be.

why the need to clown on glenn greenwald and thom yorke? honest question

bored tbh

i was just riffing on "what is true" in the previous post idk

I mean that Thom Yorke tweet's very good

why the need to clown on glenn greenwald and thom yorke? honest question

Greenwald's a posturing shit and every bit as much a hysteric as Andrew Sullivan, albeit on different issues; Yorke is a dumb rock star who thinks he's smart.

Greenwald's a better reporter.

Greenwald's a better reporter.

radiohead plays a key role in neoliberal globalisation

There are few prominent Republicans in I'd consider in the "sane" camp re: climate change. Jon Huntsman was the last gasp for the party, really. Romney is smart enough to understand the science, and maybe persuade other moderates to join with the Dem caucus on minor measures. A Romney presidency would have been mostly a hiatus in progress.

This Trump presidency threatens to overturn 30 years of climate change diplomacy. I won't be surprised if the US leaves the Rio framework. This election was a fucking disaster for anyone who knows the score on how awful climate change impacts will be. A handful of votes turn this election., and if Paris falls apart, that reduces the Earth's carrying capacity for human life by hundreds of millions, for the next 2-7 thousand years.

It doesn't inspire respect in democracy, frankly. Like I said above, Satan, bring on the windmills.

lol john huntsman made no apologies for trump. sorry

Jon Huntsman -- Sane? Romney -- smart?

Reagan won.

a Romney presidency would've been the Ryan budget four years before Trump; the best we can say about 2016 is averting disaster by four years.

Can anyone make the case to me that anything substantively positive would have happened on climate change under a Clinton presidency?

I think we can all make the case that voting is stupid and a waste of time right fellas?

Sanpaku doing a good job reminding me why being a single-issue voter is untenable

her CC policy seemed to be basically, 'everything I can without Congress'

that's p much all anyone could say tbh

Please, permit me have my drunken angry tirade against the self destructive stupidity of humanity.

Yes, they're all delusional, including Obama who favored Gingrichcare over renewable energy as his first term finite political capital expenditure.

If people knew the facts, if we could communicate clearly to them that 1) we're on a track where all will be hungry, in 30-60 years, 2) coal and gas guzzlers will shorten this timeframe, 3) your children will prematurely die if you don't do something, you stupid fucks, to prevent us going above 2 °C, 4) Oh god: you morons are committing us to the 4-5 °C path: about 2 billion humans survive this you know, and its probably not your kids..., well, it would be a different politics.

Right now, I'm in favor of all media outlets telling their listeners they're all stupid morons, all the time. We deserve to be berated for our collective choice.

Even I'm amused by permit me have my drunken...

her CC policy seemed to be basically, 'everything I can without Congress'

― flopson, Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:23 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what would she have done with a democratic congress?

xp: Also, please note that I'm writing from a red suburb of a red state. Everyone around me is a climate moron. No exceptions, in my experience. I've tried to be gentle with them, but most still don't know their houses will be under about 3-4 m of water by 2150.

has this been posted yet? very good piece I think:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/11/jesse_jackson_s_presidential_campaigns_offer_a_road_map_for_democrats_in.html

i genuinely don't think people would care about "their" houses being underwater in 135 years. i'm not even sure i would if you framed it that way.

as an aside: that the response to the article i posted about fake news sites and russian propaganda outlets consisted entirely of ad-hominem attacks on one of it co-authors probably speaks to a lot to why we find ourselves in a situation where donald trump is president-elect, btw

I don't think many people cared about the original propornot piece in the wapo, frankly. It was dumb and immediately called out as such in multiple venues, many of which don't require me to spend time in the presence of Glenn Greenwald's infinite self-regard. There's a few other things to be concerned with at the moment.

Can anyone make the case to me that anything substantively positive would have happened on climate change under a Clinton presidency?

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, November 28, 2016 3:18 AM (one hour ago)

She would have maintained Obama EPA regs instead of getting rid of them. She would not withdraw from existing climate change accords

Senator Ted Cruz has introduced legislation to require proof of citizenship such as a passport or a birth certificate to vote in federal elections. Mandating a government-issued photo ID for federal elections — which disproportionately burdens low-income voters and minorities — is another top conservative priority. Kevin D. Williamson of National Review has called on Congress to repeal the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, which allows voters to register at the Department of Motor Vehicles and other public agencies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/voting-rights-in-the-age-of-trump.html

Don't only 25 percent of Americans have a passport? And aren't most of the 75 percent who don't have one more... red statey, shall we say?

passport or a birth certificate or a concealed handgun license or a laundry list of ID that certain people will have, undoubtedly

Can anyone make the case to me that anything substantively positive would have happened on climate change under a Clinton presidency?

Still considering myself essentially an anarchist, there are no "there's no difference" or "Hillary was bad on X" arguments when you factor in the courts.

Don't only 25 percent of Americans have a passport? And aren't most of the 75 percent who don't have one more... red statey, shall we say?

― jane burkini (suzy), Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:01 PM (yesterday)

my state is quite blue and I don't have a passport.

Ugh, PropOrNot sounds like idiots. Bad reporting on WaPo's part. It would still be seemly for Greenwald to at some point acknowledge that more and more official government agencies are saying the Russians interfered, something he kept on denying while his website peddled bullshit fake news cobbled together from Russian hacks. In other words, he was pretty much a useful idiot himself, who now doesn't inform the reader that he very much has a personal interest in discrediting what he calls 'McCarthyism'. In other words, this useful idiot is defending himself from accusations while pretending not to. In other words, this useful idiot keeps on doubling down and course correcting without ever being honest about what he does.

Also, he says 'in other words' way too much while using the same words over and over...

I use my driver's license as voter ID like a normal person

I use my driver's license as voter ID like a normal person

I have no problem with showing my driver's license when I vote. But in the last year I've seen articles about various states' voter ID laws, focusing on people who don't have driver's licenses/state photo IDs for various reason (e.g., expense, difficulty getting to the nearest DMV, not having a birth certificate or other ID to establish identity). The more these states drone on about voter fraud, the more I assume that voter suppression is the real agenda.

Also, there's a long-standing American attitude that being expected to carry ID at all times, and to show this ID to law enforcement on demand, is overreach on the state's part. Has the Overton Window opened to the point that "Papers please" is acceptable?

G&T:

American conservatives gave up long ago on defending our institutions. If the Supreme Court makes a decision they don't like, they shit all over the Supreme Court. If the president is not a Republican, they slander him as illegitimate. Any law they do not author is a direct attack on the Republic and its humble, freedom-loving citizens. If they do not win an election, then the election was rigged. Is any of this sounding familiar? Somehow the American left became better at the traditional role of conservatives than conservatives themselves. Al Gore had to be the one to go on TV in 2000 and tell the country that we are obligated to respect decisions of our institutions even when they are obviously riddled with problems.

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2016/11/27/how-am-i-better-at-this-than-you-are/

gin and tacos – ew

xxpost I've been trying to get my IL drivers license for the first time (my valid out-of-state license having just expired) and, because I have neither a copy of my birth certificate or a passport (which I'm sure is true for many people), it's been a ridiculous hassle. If voter ID laws get changed, I'm of half a mind to start a nonprofit solely dedicated to helping people cut through whatever red tape is necessary to make voting as easy as possible for them.

Also, there's a long-standing American attitude that being expected to carry ID at all times, and to show this ID to law enforcement on demand, is overreach on the state's part. Has the Overton Window opened to the point that "Papers please" is acceptable?

I can't get into any bar in America without a driver's license so I don't know what you're talking about

not to mention one of the strongest methods of suppression has been ensuring that DMVs in relevant districts are open as rarely as possible

tons of people don't have a state ID and they're mostly going to live in cities or they're poor families who share a single car or get picked up by a carpool for work. and young people have apparently been waiting longer and longer to get theirs.

Yeahhhhh, I've been denied service at bars for not having state ID, despite having a passport with me. I am not a driver, nor do I live in the state where it happened.

Getting an official copy of my birth certificate was weirdly easy. Just had a to answer some personal questions online about my parents, where I've lived etc and pay a some money (I think it was around 30 or 40 dollars). "Vital Chek" was the company that does it. It was a relief to finally get an embossed birth certificate.

Yeahhhhh, I've been denied service at bars for not having state ID, despite having a passport with me. I am not a driver, nor do I live in the state where it happened.

― jane burkini (suzy), Monday, November 28, 2016 1:54 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yes I've almost been denied the purchase of a bottle of wine because I didn't have a DL and the cashier had never seen a passport before and didn't believe me that it counted as ID.