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Similar to how it was the IRS declassifying white segregationist schools in the 70s that reallly flared up the right wing/moral majority types, as guys like Paul Weyrich who were there have attested to

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its sad to me that the left channels their political frustration by donating to causes they support and the right just buys a fuckton of guns

Yeah, but how do you think the fuckheads who got us into this mess like the Koch Foundation or the Heritage Foundation et al got started?

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but like we could totally have bruce springsteen 'decade to become a republican' and run for president, that would 100% work

― iatee, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

the rock for president 2020

Just like we're repeating much of the trauma of the '04 election, we're having to relearn the lessons of it, too. There were a few attempts to get progressive organizations up & running back then, but this sorta fizzled out maybe, and Obama showed up so brightly that he overshown? overshadowed? the drive and the need for this.

unfortunately he polls weak w/ the key jabroni demographic

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Springsteen or Oprah. both of them on the same ticket.

the rock for president 2020

Pretty sure the Rock is an actual Republican.

imo this is what the left should be focusing on. channeling this turmoil and energy into resources and tools. we will need it with all the de-funding that is sure to happen. not the petty infighting that lost them the election.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:10 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bernie seems to be saying there, it doesn't matter if you are a black, white, purple ceo shipping jobs overseas, you are not helping. maybe you read it differently. i'm sure people are freaking out about the way he speaks rather than the content of what he is talking about. that's sort of a running them this year.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:14 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

first off, i dont think 'petty infighting' lost the election

You are also aware that the ilx meme about "black, white, purple" is ... critical of that line of inquiry/thought?

I didn't read it differently, I said that it's right & everyone agrees with it, but that he's using it to set himself up as the guy who sees "past" identity politics which is just encouraging more infighting because he's essentially reduced an entire wing of the party to asking for representation in an effort to convince white ppl he's still going to fight for them. it's really bad politics!

lol @ the accusation of tone policing though

this kind of stuff, btw, is why lots of people skeptical of bernie were skeptical: he's more right on ideologically than any other candidate, but also seems surprisingly tone deaf & dumb sometimes

One of the things I keep coming back to is that the inchoate groupings of American progressive/lefty/liberal-types haven't really grasped on to the need for having this kind of mass organization as a country or a culture.

I attribute some of it reservations about actually persuading people, or that you should have to even persuade people at all. You should just point out the facts, right? Other dude is hella racist or dumb or whatever and that's all you need to do. It's like the cultural baggage of the 60s's pose to reject everything stamped "corporate" led to not even addressing how or why this shit works when it works.

Like, since PR, advertising, and marketing firms are the most tangibly immediate displays of persuasive communication, every sort of attempt at this is coated and too icky to even approach, so a clueless cynicism takes it place. Why should we even have or need a communications manager?

It's like not being able to distinguish aggression from assertiveness, so one can only contract into the meekest ball possible and hope to not get noticed. All persuasion must be manipulation, then, and manipulation is something only evil people do, and we're not evil so that's that.

Pretty sure the Rock is an actual Republican.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUepX_AAmuw

his speech is pretty hilarious, I'll be honest here

this kind of stuff, btw, is why lots of people skeptical of bernie were skeptical: he's more right on ideologically than any other candidate, but also seems surprisingly tone deaf & dumb sometimes

Yeah, this is part of what I'm saying. The focus is all on being morally or ideologically right and inadvertently assuming that being right means being effective. You can be the most righteous soul on the planet and that don't mean shit if you can't promote that to others.

i see how u could get that impression if this was the only thing you read of him. it simply proves that he means what he says. he has stated that he will even work with Trump on the issue of economic justice. on the issues of social justice, he will not compromise with Trump. he has been very clear on that. he is not saying social justice is not important to him. maybe he doesn't address the other stuff here, but hey we are going off a screenshot of two pages of a transcript, this isn't exactly a primary source.

... a transcript is the definition of a primary source

not sure i buy the idea that by focusing on economics the social element is excluded. aren't economic and legal justice also essential to greater racial and social justice? in every instance where Bernie has talked about social justice he has been very supportive of it, unwaveringly so.

it should have been ", *and*" instead of ",but" but doesn't make Bernie any less of a god-send imo

i know this a dumb thing to say but i kind of wish clinton picked bernie as her running mate, maybe couldve helped, who the fuck knows though and this point eehhh

should he have done more? you bet. everybody should have. the election seems to have been pretty close, if they made more of an effort to work w activist groups, to reach out to the more energizing elements, to actually visit all the states they wanted to win. it was pride that did them in, not empathy.

if Clinton had picked Sanders as a running mate and still lost, the party would've seen the loss as a repudiation of him and he'd be powerless.

it should have been ", *and*" instead of ",but" but doesn't make Bernie any less of a god-send imo

― flopson, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 2:02 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you see the second tweet transcript?

The point isn't that he's wrong, but that he's accepting the framework of this being about "identity politics vs. the actually important work of class" when that's the framework dividing these portions of the party. he's using identity politics as a scapegoat to get traction

if he was interested in incorporating identity politics as a critique he wouldn't be fighting them!

i didn't think we were doomed until this "and/but" argument

there is a complete absence of self-criticism from any of the partisans in the democratic world

everyone lost and nobody did anything wrong, it's incredible.

Politics aside, I'm not sure you could have a ticket with the combined age of 140.

Tbf to deej, the media has been interpreting sanders' comments as an attack on identity politcs, despite the more nuanced reality. To be real with deej he is a US senator not an ilx poster. He is saying he will fight Trump "tooth and nail" on any policy he proposes that is at all discriminatory or that will hurt minority communities. It seems crazy to me that he would be a special object of critique in a senate full of racists.

its hard to wrap your head around the fact that we had the most popular dem president in a long time and he left the party with jack fucking shit. he better get to work when he moves out of the white house.

Here, play with this: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/poll-obama-approval-rating-231789

sanders has a p shaky grasp on how to speak to the consituencies that make up the dem party of today. "identity" isn't going anywhere

meanwhile nikki haley and ben carson are going to be in the next cabinet so yeah diversity in itself isn't enough

President Barack Obama’s approval rating is at a seven-year high, according to a CNN/ORC national poll released Wednesday.

Obama enjoys a post-election approval rating of 57 percent, his highest mark since September 2009, when his approval rating sat at 58 percent.

The president also has a favorability rating of almost 60 percent, his highest since October 2009. Obama has a net favorability of +21 percent (59 percent favorable, 38 percent unfavorable), far outpacing Americans’ views of the Democratic (-15 percent) and Republican (-11 percent) parties.

Fifty-four percent have an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party, 9 percentage points higher than where it stood around this time last month. The 54 percent mark is the highest unfavorable opinion of the party since 1992.

Obama approval seems more about personality than party.

xp — As the stats above make obvious.

a pessimistic reading of obama's approvals just occurred to me. you know old saw about how politicians out of the game are remembered fondly? obama is, as far as the country is concerned, already gone. he's been a second carter for the last year. maybe.

there was no last minute push to, idk, close gitmo, or force merrick garland thru, or any other in-the-dirt political thing that might have looked 'in the arena'

will trump pardon a turkey next year y/n

meanwhile nikki haley and ben carson are going to be in the next cabinet so yeah diversity in itself isn't enough

― goole, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 2:35 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but literally no one on the left would argue it is ...

hes setting up a fake strawman democrat to fight against for no discernable reason

I think the reason is that he believes that in order to win elections you need to offer something for everyone. The republicans convince whites that they have divergent interests with minorities. Sanders thinks the party needs to break through this by showing whites that progressive policies help them too, and do this without giving an inch on their antiracist, pro lgbt, feminist etc convictions

ok ffs obv some ppl say prioritize one thing and some ppl say prioritize the other that's literally what the whole fucking argument is about + leftists who get more joy having the same argument over and over again than they do being in political power.

The point is there's a third way which is prioritize class in a way that doesn't set itself up as an enemy of identity politics, or doesn't see identity politics as an obstacle to your focus on class??

this is about how he's framing the problem in a way that aggravates rather than soothes their compatibility

Ben Carson accepts Department of Housing and Urban Development secretary nomination, spokesman says - WSJ https://t.co/kxbchvi3Gw

Wrong!

Ben Carson, one week ago:

Business manager and close friend Armstrong Williams said Carson won't join the incoming Trump administration and would only serve as an unofficial adviser...."Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."

Ben Carson today, asked about his qualifications after being offered a position as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development:

"I know that I grew up in the inner city," Carson said. "And have spent a lot of time there. And have dealt with a lot of patients from that area. And recognize that we cannot have a strong nation if we have weak inner cities. And we have to get beyond the promises and start really doing something."

In other words, he has no qualifications at all. I suppose Trump finally found the one thing Carson wouldn't mind crippling.

mindboggling

Apparently there's a full-on Satanic Panic going on about Comet Ping Pong Pizza

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307404-jill-stein-to-file-for-recount-in-three-states

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

so if jill stein asks for a recount is it just of the green party votes?

aren't economic and legal justice also essential to greater racial and social justice?

That's a terrific question. Why don't you go back in time to the 50s through the 70s and ask all the black and Latino men who were pushed aside by the labor unions that made a successful middle class possible? Or ask every minority ethnic group who was left out of the gains that occurred doing the boom of the 90s while still suffering all the shit of racism?

ben carson is a total joke obv, but is in all likelihood not appreciably more incopentent than alphonso jackson, the sec'y gwb appointed to hud

Apparently there's a full-on Satanic Panic going on about Comet Ping Pong Pizza

― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:15 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's a pretty good article that makes it pretty clear it's *not* a legit satanic panic, just a full-blown harassment campaign. That jibes with my impressions - I've seen the stuff on the internet and it's pretty clear 99% of these people are trolls. Potentially both politically and homophobically motivated though -- the owner has some sort of connection to the Clintons and was once in a relationship with David Brock.

IDK, it seems like the law and law enforcement hasn't evolved to address this. I almost feel like you need a RICO-like deterrent but it's really difficult to figure out how to craft one that wouldn't rope in all kinds of relatively innocuous activity.

aren't economic and legal justice also essential to greater racial and social justice?

That's a terrific question. Why don't you go back in time to the 50s through the 70s and ask all the black and Latino men who were pushed aside by the labor unions that made a successful middle class possible? Or ask every minority ethnic group who was left out of the gains that occurred doing the boom of the 90s while still suffering all the shit of racism?

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:40 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So...your answer is yes?

this is an amnesiac's answer

"I know that I grew up in the inner city," Carson said. "And have spent a lot of time there. And have dealt with a lot of patients from that area. And recognize that we cannot have a strong nation if we have weak inner cities. And we have to get beyond the promises and start really doing something."