Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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gerrymandering is definitely a huge part of how we got here, but it's also worth noting that the GOP strategically focused on state legislatures in a way that I don't believe the Democratic party did. The only way to push back (aside from hoping to god that that recent Wisconsin court decision overturning gerrymandered districts gets upheld and becomes precedent) is to strengthen local and state-level parties. And to not get blindsided again, which I understand they did in 2010. I really think the party should have a lot of people wargaming all the worst things the GOP could possibly do and how to counter, because I'm pretty sure the GOP will do anything it can get away with.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

Like if the Democrats had just woken up and realized, back in the years leading up to 2010, that a census year presented a great opportunity for the GOP to strike at the state level, they might have shored up key seats in state legislatures that were vulnerable. The party has been way too focused on a top-down approach, thinking the presidency will deliver everything else.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link

Also I kind of think that's the right way to do politics anyway, at the ground level. No amount of focus grouping and think tanking is going to be a complete substitute for strong local parties with a feel for their communities.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull was able to get in touch with Trump by cold-calling his personal cell phone through a number provided by champion Australian golfer Greg Norman.

dark lols

, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

Democrats just need to take a page from Trump's book and start running as republicans. The tribalism is so facile and entrenched that they'll get scores of votes based on nothing but that '-R' next to their name.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link

^^^

¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link

I mean, it's a deeply cynical move, but when in Rome you might as well learn how to fiddle.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link

I think that's a cheat code you can only use if you're rich/famous (bloomberg, schwarzenegger etc.) - since you get free entry to the club and don't have to work your way up via local party politics

iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link

but like we could totally have bruce springsteen 'decade to become a republican' and run for president, that would 100% work

iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link

Someone in Ohio did that recently -- she was as member of the Cuyahoga County Republican Committee and ran for the Ohio House as a Republican. She lost to the incumbent Democrat, then resigned and revealed that she herself is actually a Democrat. Not that incumbents generally have any trouble getting re-elected, but see if you can locate a reason why Republicans may not have been running to vote for her in droves:

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/11/cuyahoga_county_gop_central_co.html

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link

i really kinda think the lesson of the election is that real celebrity trumps political celebrity and basically any famous enough* actor could beat pretty much any politician. *thus why fred thompson doesn't qualify for this rule

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10155136713370725/

I think I figured out who Donald Trump reminds me of, it's Tommy Wiseau

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

that and being dead xp

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

yeah the 'maybe these idiots just voted for him because he's famous' narrative should get at least as much play as the 'he truly connected with a wounded wwc' narrative currently does

iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link

'these idiots want to be entertained while the ship goes down'

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link

betsy devos for secretary of education

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

That is fucking GROSS

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

rip public schools

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

god FUCK these people

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

my office manager's kid goes to a charter school - it went bust literally two weeks into the school year and the kid had to find a new high school in september. ridic.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link

creationist, married to amway heir, brother of blackwater founder

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link

brother is, rather

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

ugh gross

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

On behalf of all of Michigan I apologize for the entire DeVos family and their hideous partners in evil the VanAndels, Calvinism, Amway, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, ALEC, Eric Prince, and all the hellspawn that we have vomited out over the years thanks to our Dutch Calvinist forebears and the religious right.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

lol xposted to mookie but yeah he hit the high points.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link

And by high points I mean just give us to Canada.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link

this is useful:

http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2016/11/22/what-a-betsy-devos-appointment-would-tell-us-about-donald-trumps-education-plans/

Sounds like not even a charter advocate so much as an out-and-out voucher and full privatization advocate. There are of course nowhere near the number of necessary private schools anywhere to accommodate the demand that would be created by a massive voucher program, so you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link

vomit, just a steady stream of vomit every day

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link

and here I was worried last week that Michelle Rhee might get the nod

spin the garbage wheel wheeee

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

Bernie should really get his staff in check. Look at this terrible messaging:
https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/801253188821250048

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link

"but"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link

you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up...

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, November 23, 2016

hmm who can we think of knows a lil sum'm about that business...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link

So basically they'll do this with income tax credits, right? Like a huge income tax credit for private schooling. If they make it large enough to actually cover private school tuition in most places, it will gut public schools. If they don't, it's just a big giveaway to people already wealthy enough for private school. Either way, disgusting.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link

Well, that just quadruples my determination to get involved in tutoring and after school programs and who even knows what the fuck all educational initiatives. If Captain Evil and his band of merry dipshits are dead set upon dismantling this country, it feels like everybody needs to do what they can to fortify their communities and shore up the deprivation.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link

It's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

isn't she a Common Core booster? if so, lol

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link

They want complete isolation of their children, schools, communities, and government from everyone who's even slightly different from them. I wish I were exaggerating. Small town evangelicals are pretty weird but their very weirdness sometimes makes them kind of charming/human, if flawed. Betsy DeVos and all her scheming cronies are simply the richest ppl with the most power to make Calvinist Christianity the norm and turn the course of public policy to fund it.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link

She's Erik Prince's sister

badg, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link

Yes, and then she married into one of Michigan's two Families Of The Apocalypse so that's double the "Does Grand Rapids really need to exist?"

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link

t's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.

^this

cucky ramen-o (will), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/article/david-cross-donating-100-percent-album-sales-aclu--246392

this is really cool.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link

And...again Bernie addressing class politics by using a strawman identity politics position to pivot to white voters. i don't think anyone disagrees with this point of view, one which does not actually address the nature of the identity politics / class "divide" in democratic politics. But it is a cynical way of trivializing serious concerns:

https://twitter.com/KyleClauss/status/800724251192004608

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/article/david-cross-donating-100-percent-album-sales-aclu--246392

imo this is what the left should be focusing on. channeling this turmoil and energy into resources and tools. we will need it with all the de-funding that is sure to happen. not the petty infighting that lost them the election.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link

its sad to me that the left channels their political frustration by donating to causes they support and the right just buys a fuckton of guns

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link

Bernie seems to be saying there, it doesn't matter if you are a black, white, purple ceo shipping jobs overseas, you are not helping. maybe you read it differently. i'm sure people are freaking out about the way he speaks rather than the content of what he is talking about. that's sort of a running them this year.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link

Similar to how it was the IRS declassifying white segregationist schools in the 70s that reallly flared up the right wing/moral majority types, as guys like Paul Weyrich who were there have attested to

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link

Xp

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link

its sad to me that the left channels their political frustration by donating to causes they support and the right just buys a fuckton of guns

Yeah, but how do you think the fuckheads who got us into this mess like the Koch Foundation or the Heritage Foundation et al got started?

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link

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but like we could totally have bruce springsteen 'decade to become a republican' and run for president, that would 100% work

― iatee, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

the rock for president 2020

, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link

Just like we're repeating much of the trauma of the '04 election, we're having to relearn the lessons of it, too. There were a few attempts to get progressive organizations up & running back then, but this sorta fizzled out maybe, and Obama showed up so brightly that he overshown? overshadowed? the drive and the need for this.

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link


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