Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

squash owns

i deal with a lot of regulations in my company. some of them are annoying but they all mostly make sense. you need a permit if you're going to block traffic with a crane. you need a permit if you're going to freight an oversized haul. you need to keep to EPA regulations if you're going to liquidate freon from a system or handle wet cell batteries. you need to post insurances for your labor teams. you need to post environmental insurances.

squash is on the menu because they are trying to squash beef

Does Trump think human activity is linked to climate change? “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much."

cool answer

Breitbart is just a publication, guys. It's just a publication.

Maybe it's my particular part of the small business spectrum but I have never encountered onerous regulation. The fire department makes me get new extinguishers once a year.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:26 AM (nine minutes ago)

you have to buy new ones? We'd just have to take ours to a place and have them re-tested and re-certified. Generally we only had to get new ones every 5 years or so?

But Trump's dislike of regulations sure reminds me that he is a real estate developer. The regulations for real estate development in cities are really voluminous.

Friends who have a cafe in NYC have had trouble with city permitting stuff and somewhat meaningless fines. I mean they're doing fine and it doesn't seem overwhelming, just sort of shitty to deal with.

On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

xp - they are lucky.

I don't get a sense that trump cares more about 'regulations' than any other random republican.

his style of business might even benefit overall from nyc being heavily regulated - he's the guy w/ the lawyers, taking advantage of loopholes etc.

The thing is, the regulations all "make sense," but a lot of the time, they are ass-covering on behalf of the government. It's basically, "we don't want anyone to have cause to sue us for anything ever," so we are going to make citizens and businesses jump through all the hoops the city attorney et al. say we should. Also the permitting process is often exceptionally time-consuming and the people involved at the government level are not terribly concerned with providing "excellent customer service," especially if you aren't "connected." It's like having to go to the least efficient Post Office, over and over and over again.

Elisabeth Bumiller @BumillerNYT
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

He's Jewish, do you see?

@grynbaum
Trump: “I would love to be the one who made peace with Israel and the Palestinians, that would be such a great achievement."

wellll goooood!

If people are serious about wanting to "run government like a business", then making all kinds of crazy rules to manage liability and ward off civil suits is exactly what they are asking for. Every business big enough to have a legal staff of its own is deeply into covering their asses as one of their main business goals.

https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/801139968374546432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

"You know I hadn't thought of that" will probably replace "Make America Great Again" as the Trump mantra

this dude still has no clue what a blind trust is and is openly bragging about profiting from the presidency

lol America

hahahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx48hrOXEAAYQT8.jpg:large

america: the poochie years

meme makes me sad because I realize I've known who Donald Trump is longer than I've known about Homer Simpson

‏@grynbaum
Thomas Friedman asks, “What do you think is America’s role in the world?” Trump laughs: “That’s such a big question!"

Gun, meet mouth.

can the joke be over now?

it's insane to think how being pop culture effluvia for so long cemented his reputation as "smart rich guy" in the American subconsciousness. It's not just the Apprentice, he's been namedropped for decades in rap songs, TV shows, etc. I was watching some old Always Sunny ep last night and there was a Trump ref. Our stupid culture...

speaking of effluvia how bout Tom Friedman

"Rae's a heavy generator but yo, guess who's the black Trump" xpost

Trump has reached his "smart rich guy" Peter Principle moment

thank god he's not the president or anything

Watching Obama give out Presidential Medal of Freedom awards, gonna miss this guy.

The Community ep where Abed gives Trump as his reference when applying for the cafeteria fry chef job is a little bit less funny.

ugh just imagining Trump doing any of these type of things makes me so depressed xp

Trump's not going to do this, and if he does, it'll be for bullshit reasons, to, like, his family and friends.

NRO: Don't worry about these people!.

i don't disagree entirely with that analysis.

Or are we witnessing a confluence of media eager to spotlight something that horrifies them and white nationalists eager to believe they’re on the verge of taking over?

yes and yes the media is still in the business of selling advertising

i don't disagree entirely with that analysis.

Basically why I decided against sharing that clip.

Sonia Kay otm

Sonia Kay
Nope, 200 isn't many. But I've got to say I've been thrown for a loop by some of the nastier comment threads right here at NRO, where white nationalist types post with total matter-of-factness about how the "unproductive" races are soon to outnumber the "productive" races in America and how interracial marriage is tantamount to declaring war on "white babies." The way they talk, it's clear there are circles where this stuff is considered fact. They even seem to believe they're saying what most conservatives think and are afraid to say out loud.

I think we should be careful about downplaying this crowd. They exist, and in greater numbers than I realized before Trump seems to have captured their imagination. We should ackowledge and forcefully oppose them, or else too many people (not least the white nationalist types themselves) will be all too happy to assume we're on their side.

We should ackowledge and forcefully oppose them, or else too many people (not least the white nationalist types themselves) will be all too happy to assume we're on their side.

I'm waiting

Don't Worry about these people and the unearned rage that we here at the NRO (among others) have been stoking

NRO has been dispirited if not deflated lately, a consequence of picking a losing horse.

Mordy otm

idk if this is better suited for the anti-semitism thread or not but I'm just gonna put this here. My wife has been terrified over the last week that no one in the press is calling Bannon a Nazi, about the "heil trump" video, the "Are Jews People?" CNN tagline, about the swastikas popping up etc. But my response has m/l been that Trump didn't create these people, they were *already* here and they have been for a long time, there aren't actually that many of them, there's no state apparatus in place to perform any ethnic cleansing of Jews or anyone else, our country has a rich and deep history of white supremacists and anti-semites (some of whom even occupied the presidency! Imagine!) - and that while these people are both scary and idiotic, it's important to maintain some perspective and respond with cold, clear-eyed pragmatism rather than hysteria. None of this talk about fleeing the country or whatever (lol, where would we go - Israel? No thx) I think it's clear that the real threat isn't from a Nazi state, it's from much more common and mundane sources that are ever-present in our society - lone nuts w/guns and overzealous law enforcement. Racists and anti-semites are currently emboldened and the media is hyping them up because they are sensationalistic and they fit into the current narrative about Trump's rise. These people should be resisted, called out, humiliated, ostracized from public discourse, and legally prosecuted where necessary. But this is not Berlin in the 30s. Nazis, the Klan, racist cops - these people have always been here, and they will always need to be fought against, it's the American way.

The alt-right is definitely not the nazi party in 1933, and if it's the Nazi party in 1922, Spencer is no Hitler. When it comes to Bannon, I'm less certain what's going on -- I'm not convinced he's literally of them, but he's certainly nihilistic enough to be willing to court them, and certainly fueled by resentment. Maybe he thinks it's all just part of his psy-op circus, but not about to let my guard down.

Bannon seems more like an opportunist to me. Doesn't make it any better but yeah I don't get TRUE BELIEVER vibes from him.

Nazis don't use the term Judeo-Christian ime

thanks for that post Outic, I needed an alternate perspective here

you bet!
https://youtu.be/CcPqFqqqGj0

moreover, with the caveat that richard spencer seems like a real unredeemable piece of shit, from the clip it doesn't even appear like his "are they even people" comment was about Jews but about the media. the "soulless golem" reference could certainly be a nod towards Jews but CNN is engaging in some pretty flagrant sensationalism. like i've seen ppl say that CNN was irresponsible to run that chyron without noting that they were just summing up Spencer's comments (and made it appear that they themselves were debating the humanness of Jews), but the very summation itself appears to be a fabrication designed to freak people out. i don't doubt that spencer would call Jews all kinds of things but why make up what he didn't say to scare ppl who are already afraid? it seems extremely irresponsible to me.

NRO missing the fact that several of the nazi convention dudes actually run a nazi pony panel at BronyCon

fwiw I've been thinking a lot about the Bannon "darkness is good" quote:

“Darkness is good,” he said. “Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when they get it wrong. When they’re blind to who we are and what we’re doing.”

Remarkably, this quote is getting used exactly the way he's admitting he wants it to be used -- people are sharing it as proof he's evil. Which he may in fact be, but it's just interesting that if you read it carefully he's really saying that he likes people to get hysterical about him so they can't see straight. And people are getting hysterical about him.

"If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him."