Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

xp His thought processes are largely reality show-based.

https://www.inman.com/2016/11/21/whos-in-the-running-to-be-trumps-new-hud-secretary/

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.
Clinton, in other words, carried nearly two-thirds of the American economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:47 (thirteen minutes ago) Permalink

Thinking about these precise facts in different terms might help the Democrats understand why they lost.

I really wish the people that voted for Trump overwhelmingly voted for him with the economy in mind, rather than Build the Wall, Benghazi, emails, crooked Hillary, Muslims and oh yeah, the economy, I guess.

the left's messaging on it is nowhere

I mean it's a complicated subject and there's not a snappy one line 'message' to sell

'regulations are sometimes good, sometimes bad, also really depends on what you even mean by 'regulation'

― iatee, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:31 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The reality is "regulation" is not the top talking point in either direction with the lower end of the electorate economically. It's mostly the kind of thing that *small business owners* care about. Ugh all this red tape have to get all these permits! And sometimes it's true, it can be a real pain in the ass and it isn't always for any real purpose.

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.
Clinton, in other words, carried nearly two-thirds of the American economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:47 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this kind of thing is comforting but misleading

the dense, urban, highly developed counties where most work is done have a) millions of liberal-oriented people living in them, but also b) most of rich owners and managers who aren't.

like, steve bannon is an LA dude. trump is, you may have heard, a new yorker.

old news maybe bc when i woke up he cancelled but Trump is currently giving on record interview w/ NYT and it's being tweeted: http://www.nytimes.com/live/trump-at-the-new-york-times-the-tweets/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

xp - misleading how? All it is saying is that more people in these counties voted for Clinton, not that they unanimously preferred Clinton. And some of these counties aren't all that dense, they are just large.

old news maybe bc when i woke up he cancelled but Trump is currently giving on record interview w/ NYT and it's being tweeted: http://www.nytimes.com/live/trump-at-the-new-york-times-the-tweets/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:18 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Vibe of this very much seems like trying to calm liberals down. Taking that with massive amounts of salt.

Mike Grynbaum ✔ @grynbaum
Salmon, beef tenderloin, squash, cupcakes on the menu here at NYT. But no one in the room is bothering to eat.

wow...not even the squash...

Maybe it's my particular part of the small business spectrum but I have never encountered onerous regulation. The fire department makes me get new extinguishers once a year.

squash owns

i deal with a lot of regulations in my company. some of them are annoying but they all mostly make sense. you need a permit if you're going to block traffic with a crane. you need a permit if you're going to freight an oversized haul. you need to keep to EPA regulations if you're going to liquidate freon from a system or handle wet cell batteries. you need to post insurances for your labor teams. you need to post environmental insurances.

squash is on the menu because they are trying to squash beef

Does Trump think human activity is linked to climate change? “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much."

cool answer

Breitbart is just a publication, guys. It's just a publication.

Maybe it's my particular part of the small business spectrum but I have never encountered onerous regulation. The fire department makes me get new extinguishers once a year.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:26 AM (nine minutes ago)

you have to buy new ones? We'd just have to take ours to a place and have them re-tested and re-certified. Generally we only had to get new ones every 5 years or so?

But Trump's dislike of regulations sure reminds me that he is a real estate developer. The regulations for real estate development in cities are really voluminous.

Friends who have a cafe in NYC have had trouble with city permitting stuff and somewhat meaningless fines. I mean they're doing fine and it doesn't seem overwhelming, just sort of shitty to deal with.

On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

xp - they are lucky.

I don't get a sense that trump cares more about 'regulations' than any other random republican.

his style of business might even benefit overall from nyc being heavily regulated - he's the guy w/ the lawyers, taking advantage of loopholes etc.

The thing is, the regulations all "make sense," but a lot of the time, they are ass-covering on behalf of the government. It's basically, "we don't want anyone to have cause to sue us for anything ever," so we are going to make citizens and businesses jump through all the hoops the city attorney et al. say we should. Also the permitting process is often exceptionally time-consuming and the people involved at the government level are not terribly concerned with providing "excellent customer service," especially if you aren't "connected." It's like having to go to the least efficient Post Office, over and over and over again.

Elisabeth Bumiller @BumillerNYT
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

He's Jewish, do you see?

@grynbaum
Trump: “I would love to be the one who made peace with Israel and the Palestinians, that would be such a great achievement."

wellll goooood!

If people are serious about wanting to "run government like a business", then making all kinds of crazy rules to manage liability and ward off civil suits is exactly what they are asking for. Every business big enough to have a legal staff of its own is deeply into covering their asses as one of their main business goals.

https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/801139968374546432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

"You know I hadn't thought of that" will probably replace "Make America Great Again" as the Trump mantra

this dude still has no clue what a blind trust is and is openly bragging about profiting from the presidency

lol America

hahahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx48hrOXEAAYQT8.jpg:large

america: the poochie years

meme makes me sad because I realize I've known who Donald Trump is longer than I've known about Homer Simpson

‏@grynbaum
Thomas Friedman asks, “What do you think is America’s role in the world?” Trump laughs: “That’s such a big question!"

Gun, meet mouth.

can the joke be over now?

it's insane to think how being pop culture effluvia for so long cemented his reputation as "smart rich guy" in the American subconsciousness. It's not just the Apprentice, he's been namedropped for decades in rap songs, TV shows, etc. I was watching some old Always Sunny ep last night and there was a Trump ref. Our stupid culture...

speaking of effluvia how bout Tom Friedman

"Rae's a heavy generator but yo, guess who's the black Trump" xpost

Trump has reached his "smart rich guy" Peter Principle moment

thank god he's not the president or anything

Watching Obama give out Presidential Medal of Freedom awards, gonna miss this guy.

The Community ep where Abed gives Trump as his reference when applying for the cafeteria fry chef job is a little bit less funny.

ugh just imagining Trump doing any of these type of things makes me so depressed xp

Trump's not going to do this, and if he does, it'll be for bullshit reasons, to, like, his family and friends.

NRO: Don't worry about these people!.

i don't disagree entirely with that analysis.

Or are we witnessing a confluence of media eager to spotlight something that horrifies them and white nationalists eager to believe they’re on the verge of taking over?

yes and yes the media is still in the business of selling advertising

i don't disagree entirely with that analysis.

Basically why I decided against sharing that clip.

Sonia Kay otm

Sonia Kay
Nope, 200 isn't many. But I've got to say I've been thrown for a loop by some of the nastier comment threads right here at NRO, where white nationalist types post with total matter-of-factness about how the "unproductive" races are soon to outnumber the "productive" races in America and how interracial marriage is tantamount to declaring war on "white babies." The way they talk, it's clear there are circles where this stuff is considered fact. They even seem to believe they're saying what most conservatives think and are afraid to say out loud.

I think we should be careful about downplaying this crowd. They exist, and in greater numbers than I realized before Trump seems to have captured their imagination. We should ackowledge and forcefully oppose them, or else too many people (not least the white nationalist types themselves) will be all too happy to assume we're on their side.

We should ackowledge and forcefully oppose them, or else too many people (not least the white nationalist types themselves) will be all too happy to assume we're on their side.

I'm waiting

Don't Worry about these people and the unearned rage that we here at the NRO (among others) have been stoking

NRO has been dispirited if not deflated lately, a consequence of picking a losing horse.