Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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look at the voting totals spreadsheet linked to on that tweet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19Hillary

i hadn't realized what a massive swing Maine had. obama won it in 2012 by a 15.3% margin. in 2016 clinton only carried it by 2.7% - a 12.6% swing toward republicans over 4 years.

there are a few states that had larger 4-year swings toward republicans - iowa at 15.2%, north dakota at 16.1%, west virginia at 15.4% - but Maine is really surprising to me because they've been led by a trump for 4 years, paul lepage. i was under the impression that he was a terrible fucking buffoon and an embarrassment to everyone connected to maine. apparently i was wrong. a lot of maine voters got a taste of lepage since 2011 and decided to vote for the presidential equivalent. fuuuuuuck

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

i didn't realize trump owned a football team in the 80s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Generals

, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link

Trump's plan is total nonsense but I do like the idea of taking inventory of existing regulations, subsidies, and laws that are over 20 years old and determining which still apply to the modern world.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link

there's a good 30 for 30 about the USFL xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link

The 2 for 1 thing is banal GOP base crap - really not novel at all, just part of the long, long, big lie that the US is overregulated, that all they do in Washington is think of red tape with which to harry the little guy, etc. etc. The emphasis on quantity is very old in this sense.

dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link

it's not what's *in* the regulation that's important to him, it's how many there are!

i'm etaching bizniss ethics rn and 'so much regulation' is literally the extent of untutored student thinking about this topic, the left's messaging on it is nowhere

j., Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link

of course the vast majority of the regulations that really annoy people don't come from dc anyway

iatee, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link

re "you'd be in jaiul"

@Morning_Joe
Source tells @Morning_Joe @realDonaldTrump won't pursue investigations into @HillaryClinton for private email server use/Clinton Foundation.

@ggreenwald
U.S. Presidents have an obvious interest in upholding the precedent that officials from prior administrations are not prosecuted.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

I have been telling people nonstop to watch that 30 For 30 episode about the USFL since Trump announced he was running. It's such a perfect encapsulation of his pathologies and his willingness to wreak havoc in the pursuit of a stupid and self-defeating goal simply because his desires take precedence over every single other thing.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link

the BC government's policies have been a disaster for unions, renters, students, and working people, just for the record

― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 12:06 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and there are still many dumb regulations

― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 12:07 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Red Tape Reduction Act seems pretty silly to me, for the reasons man alive and Shakey give, and I don't really know why the NDP voted for it, but, yeah, the protections for "public health, public safety, and the Canadian economy" are a huge weasel clause, as well as that no action may be brought against the Crown on grounds pertaining to the act.

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link

the left's messaging on it is nowhere

I mean it's a complicated subject and there's not a snappy one line 'message' to sell

'regulations are sometimes good, sometimes bad, also really depends on what you even mean by 'regulation'

iatee, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

This is one somewhat amusing criticism of possible consequences: http://ipolitics.ca/2016/04/13/conservatives-one-for-one-rule-could-be-hindering-regulatory-cooperation-report/
xp

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

isn't greenwalds whole beat involve taking the government to task for classifying the shit out of everything and wrongfully prosecuting people for violating it? shouldn't he want them not to charge HC?

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

Idk how many regulations the federal government passes that could not be justified in terms of "public health, public safety, or the Canadian economy".

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

The supreme religion of the U.S. press corps is reverence for power; the more Trump exhibits, the more submissive they will get. “I know I will get over it in a couple of days after Thanksgiving.” We believe you.

Finally, after everything Trump has said — about immigrants, Muslims, women, etc. — this is what upsets these journalists: that he criticized them to their faces using a mean tone. Remnick writes that “Trump whined” in the meeting and showed how “vain” he is. That may be true, but the same is true of his anonymous friends for whose petty grievances he is crusading. There is much oppression in the world and many serious concerns as Trump heads to the Oval Office; how Trump speaks to Chuck Todd and Jeff Zucker is not on that list.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/22/media-stars-agree-to-off-the-record-meeting-with-trump-break-agreement-whine-about-mistreatment/

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.

Clinton, in other words, carried nearly two-thirds of the American economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link

There is much oppression in the world and many serious concerns as Trump heads to the Oval Office; how Trump speaks to Chuck Todd and Jeff Zucker is not on that list so that is why I wrote this article about Chuck Todd and Jeff Zucker.

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link

know your serfs

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link

and yeah GG was the only one who wrote about it; kudos

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link

I agree with the main point of the Intercept article but, at the same time, maybe media bigwigs getting shook on a personal level is what it takes for some shit to change.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801110690387857408
I am seriously considering Dr. Ben Carson as the head of HUD. I've gotten to know him well--he's a greatly talented person who loves people!

wtf! either appoint this idiot or don't . fuck your idiotic thought process

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link

to up their level of sycophancy, likely xp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link

media bigwigs do not go on the air. those ppl are sideshow hustlers.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link

xp His thought processes are largely reality show-based.

https://www.inman.com/2016/11/21/whos-in-the-running-to-be-trumps-new-hud-secretary/

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.
Clinton, in other words, carried nearly two-thirds of the American economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:47 (thirteen minutes ago) Permalink

Thinking about these precise facts in different terms might help the Democrats understand why they lost.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

I really wish the people that voted for Trump overwhelmingly voted for him with the economy in mind, rather than Build the Wall, Benghazi, emails, crooked Hillary, Muslims and oh yeah, the economy, I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link

the left's messaging on it is nowhere

I mean it's a complicated subject and there's not a snappy one line 'message' to sell

'regulations are sometimes good, sometimes bad, also really depends on what you even mean by 'regulation'

― iatee, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:31 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The reality is "regulation" is not the top talking point in either direction with the lower end of the electorate economically. It's mostly the kind of thing that *small business owners* care about. Ugh all this red tape have to get all these permits! And sometimes it's true, it can be a real pain in the ass and it isn't always for any real purpose.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.
Clinton, in other words, carried nearly two-thirds of the American economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:47 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this kind of thing is comforting but misleading

the dense, urban, highly developed counties where most work is done have a) millions of liberal-oriented people living in them, but also b) most of rich owners and managers who aren't.

like, steve bannon is an LA dude. trump is, you may have heard, a new yorker.

goole, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:14 (seven years ago) link

old news maybe bc when i woke up he cancelled but Trump is currently giving on record interview w/ NYT and it's being tweeted: http://www.nytimes.com/live/trump-at-the-new-york-times-the-tweets/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link

xp - misleading how? All it is saying is that more people in these counties voted for Clinton, not that they unanimously preferred Clinton. And some of these counties aren't all that dense, they are just large.

sarahell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

old news maybe bc when i woke up he cancelled but Trump is currently giving on record interview w/ NYT and it's being tweeted: http://www.nytimes.com/live/trump-at-the-new-york-times-the-tweets/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:18 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Vibe of this very much seems like trying to calm liberals down. Taking that with massive amounts of salt.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

Mike Grynbaum ✔ @grynbaum
Salmon, beef tenderloin, squash, cupcakes on the menu here at NYT. But no one in the room is bothering to eat.

wow...not even the squash...

iatee, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link

Maybe it's my particular part of the small business spectrum but I have never encountered onerous regulation. The fire department makes me get new extinguishers once a year.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

squash owns

qop (crüt), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link

i deal with a lot of regulations in my company. some of them are annoying but they all mostly make sense. you need a permit if you're going to block traffic with a crane. you need a permit if you're going to freight an oversized haul. you need to keep to EPA regulations if you're going to liquidate freon from a system or handle wet cell batteries. you need to post insurances for your labor teams. you need to post environmental insurances.

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

squash is on the menu because they are trying to squash beef

, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

Does Trump think human activity is linked to climate change? “I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much."

cool answer

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

Breitbart is just a publication, guys. It's just a publication.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link

Maybe it's my particular part of the small business spectrum but I have never encountered onerous regulation. The fire department makes me get new extinguishers once a year.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:26 AM (nine minutes ago)

you have to buy new ones? We'd just have to take ours to a place and have them re-tested and re-certified. Generally we only had to get new ones every 5 years or so?

sarahell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link

But Trump's dislike of regulations sure reminds me that he is a real estate developer. The regulations for real estate development in cities are really voluminous.

sarahell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link

Friends who have a cafe in NYC have had trouble with city permitting stuff and somewhat meaningless fines. I mean they're doing fine and it doesn't seem overwhelming, just sort of shitty to deal with.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link

On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

piscesx, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link

xp - they are lucky.

sarahell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link

I don't get a sense that trump cares more about 'regulations' than any other random republican.

his style of business might even benefit overall from nyc being heavily regulated - he's the guy w/ the lawyers, taking advantage of loopholes etc.

iatee, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link

The thing is, the regulations all "make sense," but a lot of the time, they are ass-covering on behalf of the government. It's basically, "we don't want anyone to have cause to sue us for anything ever," so we are going to make citizens and businesses jump through all the hoops the city attorney et al. say we should. Also the permitting process is often exceptionally time-consuming and the people involved at the government level are not terribly concerned with providing "excellent customer service," especially if you aren't "connected." It's like having to go to the least efficient Post Office, over and over and over again.

sarahell, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

Elisabeth Bumiller @BumillerNYT
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

iatee, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link

He's Jewish, do you see?

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link

@grynbaum
Trump: “I would love to be the one who made peace with Israel and the Palestinians, that would be such a great achievement."

wellll goooood!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link

If people are serious about wanting to "run government like a business", then making all kinds of crazy rules to manage liability and ward off civil suits is exactly what they are asking for. Every business big enough to have a legal staff of its own is deeply into covering their asses as one of their main business goals.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link


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