Hip Hop taken to new levels.

I need to get some sleep.

This thread is ridiculous...I can understand where I hear so much shit about ILM. Some cliquish motherfuckers some of you are.
Even when "big boi" TOLD you he was agreeing with me, you continued to give me shit.
My initial provocations taken too seriously.
My actual arguments met with jeers from the peanut gallery.
What a stupid bullshit thread this has been.

Now, here come a cavalcade of posts...

ddrake was owned, ddrake is so stupid, etc. etc. etc.
Ned Raggett having thugs! That's crazy! No, no one ganged up on him! ddrake just came and started trouble in our normally pure community!

Christ.

have a good fucking life.

This sentence makes me happy. :-)

So, what's the answer? My feeling is that snidey, snarky comments from regulars don't help. It can create a sense of cliqueiness and safety-in-numbers pack mentality (justifiably, or not). If you've heard it all before, perhaps it would be a good idea to either a) leave the thread as if a swarm of driver ants* were fast approaching, or b) post helpful links to previous discussions, then bow out (some, like Tracer Hand, seem to take this latter option as a matter of course).

*Very scary prospect, if true.

the ideas stated at the top of this thread suck. good ideas in the same vein don't exist that much. aside from kid 606. wait, that isn't clever. yeah, wait til i'm 20. i'll produce something cool as fuck.

the more i think about it and the less i type the more i realize you just want hip hop that isn't made by people who are ghetto but by people who have been through graduate school or something. yeah, anticon is sucking at that cuz they fall into the whitekid hipster ghetto trap. maybe you want to listen to prefuse 73. hahahah

ILXOR in todays Guardian

Sound like a good idea. The generaly quality of all kinds of music would have increased if all musicians had been through graduate school. Mind you, all those European 18th and 19th century classical composers had. :-)

There's lots of hip-hop with extended instrumentalism, in fact there's *gasp* a whole shitload of INSTRUMENTAL HIP-HOP ARTISTS!!! *loud gasp*

James, you may like...

*DJ Shadow
*DJ Spooky
*the afforementioned DJ Vadim
*Invisible Skratch Picklz
(in fact, watch Wave Twisters, an animated film whose entire score - dialog and all - is provided by DJ Q-bert)
*some of the collaborations Buckethead has done with various instrumental hip-hop artists (such as the album Bermuda Triangle he did with DJ Extrakd or the Praxis Transmutations Live album which is a performance by Buckethead & Invisible Skratch Picklz)

He isn't, but he wasn't a typical droupout, unlike Lennon, and has always seemed more interested in the music part than in the rebellion part.

spectacular. Tears of laughter, seriously.

1. It's gay.

2. ddrake's point is stupid. (BTW, Genesis ruled, you asshat, and you merely comparing it to 'long instrumental solos' shows your complete fucking ignorance of the band.)

3. James Slone I've known for some time, from the SSMT days, and he could wipe the floor with most all of you intellectually.

What the hell is progressive about it? Now, yes, I'm bearing in mind that you, Geir, have become famous for only thinking music that stays within the box is good, but let me say The Love Below just sucks.

"Hey Ya" was a fun pop tune, I admit, but the guy attempts to croon when he doesn't have the voice to croon, tries to write funk songs which fall flat, and let's not get into the "shit don't stink" song.

Speakerboxx? I'm sorry, Big Boi doesn't click without Andre 3000 rapping alongside him. The album as a whole is pretty decent, but that's it. Outkast's apex album was Aquemini, followed closely by Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik.

The Love Below was formulaic, and honestly, a huge step back from even Stankonia (which I admittedly like a lot). Speakerboxx was an attempt by Andre to branch out, and I can respect his talent, but he failed.

I have a "there but for the grace of god go I" feeling about this thread. Though it could have been a few hundred posts shorter is someone had just sincerely apologized for the Wooster jokes.

And remember, you can find hip-hop (writing) taken to new levels here:
Why do people who hate music write about music?

I also checked out Aesop Rock, which I found rather pleaseant.

this seriously has to be the best and worst thread ever

lol

Boyz II Men (ft. Phil Collins) - Take Me Home

Spittin' Wicked Randomness still goddamn rules

I learned my lesson the hard way (and still have the scars to prove it), which was: DON'T ADMIT TO LIKING PREFUSE 73!

<i>Ned Raggett having thugs! That's crazy! No, no one ganged up on him! ddrake just came and started trouble in our normally pure community!

Christ.

have a good fucking life.</i>