Batman Begins: The Thread

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The zing's on you, Ghosty. That's a direct lift from AW's Simpson's appearance.

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Huk-L, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I somwhat grateful the filmmakers took the risk of boring people.

OTM.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) So?

The Ghost of I Let No Inconvenient Facts Bog Down My Lethal Zingers! (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

http://pages.prodigy.net/mshimkus/androids/cbg1.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

You traveled the world... Now you must journey inwards... to what you really fear... it's inside you... there is no turning back. Your parents' death was not your fault. Your training is nothing. The will is everything. If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely. Are you ready to begin?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I enjoyed the conceptual artist-like wording Bruce Wayne utilizes when telling Alfred about his plans to become a "symbol" to remove himself from openess to corruption.

This was one of my favorite bits of dialogue in the movie, too. I also liked the rationale for dressing up like a bat.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

That being said, most of the dissapointed reactions to "Begins" seem to spring from an expectation for some camp element

I think most of the disappointed reactions are coming from people who were open to a serious Batman but who think BB failed to deliver.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly this was the best Batman movie.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw that at the video store! Can it possibly be as fabulous as it sounds?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Faaab-u-loussss!

http://www.screencaptures.net/b/brewer18.jpg

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Batman Returns > Adam West Batman > Batman Forever > Batman '89 > Batman Begins > Batman and Robin.

Yeah, every fight scene in BB was a complete and utter shambles. The film was overlong and laughably ponderous. It looked great though, so that's alright.

dm, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

it looked good when batman was doing his ninja training stuff in chingchong land, but Gotham city looked like something out of a cheap made-for-TNT movie.

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIZZAS ^_^ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 23 June 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Question: Why did Batman's papa, A PHYSICIAN, build a monorail? Maybe there were engineers or MONORAILISTS who could have used the work? Maybe that's why Joe Chill killed him. Did anybody check to see if Chill had a Monorailist Union membership card on him? FOR SHAME, BATMAN, FOR SHAME.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the Waynes are supposed to be old money in this telling, six generations worth, mansion with the cave below for the Underground Railroad OH NOBLE BLOOD OF THE WAYNES. So it sounds like it might be a case where Dad Wayne was the ultimate trust fund baby, kept an eye on Wayne Enterprises and all but grew up wanting to be a doctor and proved to be one of the two or three people in the world who could afford to do so without taking out student loans.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

So he gets 1 million for the heart transplant/sex change/skin peel/mole removal/reflex check but he pays for the $645425415453413 million monorail with the profits from the 'let's develop big fucking frog-like tanks for the military with this contract we skimmed from the Feds' department.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, Chill called the big one Bitey.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

it would've been better if he'd been a hardcore trustafarian.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

He was just a super-bat-altruistic richo who liked to be the bestest most noblestest person ever, making free house calls and building affordable public transit just on general principal.

Also, I think maybe he said "our family" built the monorails, not neccesarily him personally.

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They played the "Batman's a scientist" Simpsons clip from the monorail episode during the previews at the Alamo drafthouse. I could have kissed someone.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost -- Then that way Chill would have seen him and they would have just nodded at each other and smoked up and Bruce would have become Potman and the film would have a decidedly different effect. Mind you, Gary Oldman could just transfer his True Romance character over without a worry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Neeson's last surprise ('we tried to destroy it with the Depression BUT YOUR PARENTS SCREWED IT UP ASSHOLE') left a bad taste in my mouth. So unnecessary and over the top.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Because up until then he had been the model of meekness as had the League in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It was just vague enough, but also, WTF? Gotham wasn't the pit of despair worth wiping from the face of the earth until the League of Shadows made it so...or do they just hate success?
Is the League of Shadows a metaphor for the punitively-tax-the-richers?

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn commies.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"I am also of the opinion that the Adam West TV show is an extremely faithful translation of a comic book into live action. Pick up a Batman comic from the early 60's and read it out loud. You'll see what I mean." - David Mazzucchelli (artist for Batman: Year One, the ostensible template of Batman Begins)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 June 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

There's also the issue that DC (National Periodicals, then) was actually tailoring the Batman comics to fit in better with the Adam West show. I'm not sure where she actually appeared first, but the Barbara Gordon Batgirl sprung from that synergy.

And hey, y'know what, the Adam West Batman is FUN. And also, when I was like 5, watching it for the first time (in reruns, I'm not 45 years old!), I had no idea it was supposed to be funny. At five, that stuff is pretty grim.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It's the slanted camera.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Neeson's last surprise ('we tried to destroy it with the Depression BUT YOUR PARENTS SCREWED IT UP ASSHOLE') left a bad taste in my mouth. So unnecessary and over the top.

I admit that I couldn't stifle laughter when Neeson mentioned Constantinople as an aside.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

From Comicbookresources.com:
According to Superhero Hype, director Christopher Nolan talked to a publication called the Lacenby News saying that he's not sticking around for the Boy Wonder. "This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films ... not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" Nolan said.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.readmag.com/Reviews/sd_batmanbegins.htm

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Batman himself doesn't have the stocky, square-jawed appearance that we all recognize, but is played by the thin guy from Memento. However, that's understandable since this movie takes place in Batman's earlier years. Still, the casting makes about as much sense as Nick Cage as Superman. His acting makes Keaton look like Shakespiere, as he plays up the "darkness" of the character to ridiculous levels.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this bullshit a put-on or something?

He then decides out of the blue to become Batman, but instead of Alfred making him his costume and weapons, he hires Samuel L. Jackson to do it for him.

Batman himself doesn't have the stocky, square-jawed appearance that we all recognize, but is played by the thin guy from Memento.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

After looking around the site for a little bit, I am 80% sure this is a put-on.
Here's their Passion of the Christ review:
http://www.readmag.com/Reviews/sd_christ.htm

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The 20% doubt comes from the fact that I know people...in the entertainment press, no less...who honestly think like this.
Which leads to my next critique. The virgin Mary wasn't that hot. I know that's a silly way of putting it, but I'm a very cultured, knowledgeable person, and I've seen tons of paintings and statues of Mary, and she's historically portrayed as young and, well, hot. Gibson has to stop thinking about "What Women Want" and think about what we guys want. Not to mention he needs to be more historically accurate.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

And that is really why Passions of Christ fails. First off, Jesus is shown as a weak human, when in fact, a close reading of the Bible shows him to be not only the son of God, but a vampire as well. Secondly, Gibson left out all the magic Jesus could do, probably to save money on special effects. And lastly, there's too much emphasis on the Jews, when it was actually the lepers that did him in.


This makes 20% doubt seem a bit excessive.

M Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

You've never seen ETalk Daily, I take it.
http://www.ctv.ca/entertainment

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG if only he had hired Samuel L. Jackson. "YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE! AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!!!"

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Does Bruce Wayne look like a bitch? (Yes.)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought it was Anakin who got delimbified!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

saw this, tonight, and haven't read this thread.

a few thoughts:

the worst thing about c. bale is his mouth. it ruins all his acting. the unfortunate thing about batman is that the mouth is all you see, too. still, I didn't mind him and thought he was OK, partly because he seemed quite lacking, in personality, perhaps--better than OTT.

wouldn't the microwave vaporisor thing have used its microwaves to vaporise the water in people, too?

couple of silly things that were vital to the story's progress:

when batman first met the scarecrow and didn't catch him because the scarecrow totally set batman on fire and batman had to jump out of a window--how come he got totally set on fire, as if he had been soaking in petrol?

and the bit when he went down amongst the gas-affected people, after he had lost his grapple gun in a fight with shadow guys, and was jumped upon by the strangely curious, supposedly scared masses and managed to find his gun just lying on the ground

I didn't like the scarecrow guy's mouth, either, and am not wild about katie holmes'

I don't like morgan freeman, as a rule, but he was OK

quite liked gary oldman, despite the necessary, stupid lines ("I gotta get me one of those" re: batmobile)

the v. funny bit where the bum he'd given his coat to, seven years earlier, turned up at the drugs thing where he put tom wilkinson on the spotlight and b.man says "nice coat" and the bum says "thanks"

liam neeson, I dislike, too

nice to see freddie starr and tim booth with bit-parts, though, and ken barlow's son as bruce wayne's dad

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and the scarecrow gas bits and the dr. scarecrow guy gassed by batman bit were terrifying!!

RJG (RJG), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

nice to see freddie starr and tim booth with bit-parts, though

Who was Booth again? (Also, RJG, did yer get my mail?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Booth was in a band called James, they had a big hit in 1990 with "Been Caught Stealing"

Huk-L, Friday, 24 June 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

tim booth was one of the thugs that dr. scarecrow plead insanity for and during the big gas bit was more aggressive than fearful and threatening k. holmes and the little boy w/ one knife until b.man swooped down etcs

(I did, ned, and I will reply, soon!)

RJG (RJG), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Roxor, thanks! I'm surprised Booth didn't do one of his trills to freak out the kid.

Booth was in a band called James, they had a big hit in 1990 with "Been Caught Stealing

I love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought they made that free-love stuff illegal, you hippie.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

when batman first met the scarecrow and didn't catch him because the scarecrow totally set batman on fire and batman had to jump out of a window--how come he got totally set on fire, as if he had been soaking in petrol?

He threw gas all over Batman while he was freaking out.

I think I share Ally's amazing mutant ability to pay attention to movies.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I was more curious why the super-soldier suit wasn't flame-retardant. Seems like that would have been something you design in along with bulletproof and stuff.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link


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