Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

Pence is a known quantity within the standard GOP party structure, in that sense he represents a preferable opponent

http://i.imgur.com/C09oz2A.png

breitbart not going easy on thier guy!

no one knows what can happen next year, let alone 2020.

Pence is a known quantity within the standard GOP party structure, in that sense he represents a preferable opponent

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:55 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pence would probably have zero appeal outside the predictable GOP base, which IMO means he probably loses. Trump is a walking question mark. So I don't know who the GOP prefers but I know who I'd rather face. Ever actually listen to Pence speak? He has this timeless creepiness in affect and diction, like it could just as easily be the 1950s.

i think pence is pretty dangerous actually, that VP debate when he lied about basically everything w/ smooth confidence is cheney-esque

Democrats can't start impeachment proceedings unless they control the House

Anyone can start impeachment proceedings - they have to clear the House, but it's a safe bet that they'll get a majority of Democrats, no?

I think reelection is the only reason most Republicans would think twice about preferring a President Pence.

This is probably true - but they don't need most Republicans.

Bah, misread that last one, sorry man alive.

Yeah he is dangerous, but I also don't see him having the appeal of a Trump. Neither are great, just saying I think Pence is easier to beat in an election because his record is clear, it matches the way he looks and speaks, and he's not the kind of galvanizer Trump is. You're not going to see 30K people showing up for Pence rallies.

otm

I guess his biggest threat is big turnout among the evangelical base. He was probably a smart pick for the Trump ticket in that regard. He'd be very strong with the old republican coalition but no crossover appeal imo. My guess is that's not enough to win presidential elections anymore, granted I don't want to sound too sure of anything right now. He's certainly slick and polished and intelligent and has some amount of charisma, I just think there are a lot of Trump voters who wouldn't go for him.

But I guess this is all going to depend on how Trump plays ball with the GOP.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:54 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's going to start behaving presidentially any day now, I just know it.

In an election season chock full of things that defy belief, I think the most shocking thing to me is that people still harbor any illusions that Trump is anything other than the narcissistic black hole that he's nakedly presented himself as for years.

Someone posted a short video he made about his transition effort, very bland and underwhelming. He talked a little about his first 100 days and the blustery stuff about muslims and building a wall wasn't in there, the nonsensical line about "deleting two regulations for every new one" was in there. Wasn't sure if it spoke to a moderation in policy direction or just an attempt to quiet things down or what.

could just be that he hasn't got a fucking clue what he's going to do

He's definitely a narcissistic black hole but he still has to operate within the existing structures, so long as they still exist.

according to David Remnick Trump's telling journalists that he "loves" Obama now

black holes tend to be pretty destructive iirc

and he's had two (TWO!) whole phone calls with obama in the last fortnight! an amazing relationship, just terrific xp

the nonsensical line about "deleting two regulations for every new one" was in there

I keep coming back to this because it is so hilariously nonsensical - it's not what's *in* the regulation that's important to him, it's how many there are! Should just write one giant sweeping regulation for everything and tell him that that all the other regulations have been eliminated. Magic!

Yeah they're going to start naming all brand new regulations "3b" "35f" etc. as a loophole

On day one, every government employee named Walter will be shown the door. Walter is a terrible name, so so bad.

Like I read regulations all the time in my job and I don't even know what he really means by "a regulation." An entire section of federal code? A subsection?

Donald Trump is not a person to whom words mean things

he doesn't mean anything he doesn't understand anything

^^^

regulators mount up

yeah it's about as vague and meaningful as his "5 year lobbying ban...unless they sign a piece of paper" plan

odds on trump quickly getting fed up with all the hassle of being president and just abdicating?

I don't think he'd resign, just stop coming to the office

our greatest hope

maybe Ivanka will be our Edith Wilson

more like our Edith Bunker

lol

Tried to compose a Trumpian update of 'Those Were the Days', lost my will fifteen seconds in.

re: eliminating regulations, it's been done before.

http://www.npr.org/2015/05/26/409671996/canada-cuts-down-on-red-tape-could-it-work-in-the-u-s

BERLINER: So the incoming administration in British Columbia said enough is enough. For every new rule that becomes law, two existing ones would have to go. And Laura Jones says it's worked. In British Columbia, regulation has been reduced by 40 percent. She says small business has benefited.

JONES: And there's been very little to no outcry about cutting into rules that are important to protect human health, safety and the environment.

BERLINER: Eventually, British Columbia dialed it back to one for one, and that became the model for the entire country. For two years, one for one has been a federal policy, part of a broader attack on red tape. To give the effort credibility, the savings from eliminating regulations couldn't just be assumed. They had to be quantified. Tony Clement is a cabinet minister with Canada's ruling Conservative Party.

TONY CLEMENT: We're trying to measure and benchmark our success. And in that way, it's a serious exercise, not just a - you know, a jingoistic political exercise.

BERLINER: Clement says small businesses are logging less time on paperwork - a reduction of hundreds of thousands of hours so far. Nineteen federal regulations have been eliminated, but the law won't allow cuts to protections for health, safety and the environment. That took any ideological edge off the act. When Canada's House of Commons voted to make the policy an actual law, the bill passed overwhelmingly.

somehow i doubt that trump's version will NOT include a provision that "the law won't allow cuts to protections for health, safety and the environment."

I'd been thinking throughout the course of the election that Trump was going to go out with the grace of Col. Rhodes at the end of Day of the Dead. It just occurred to me that, even though he won, my assessment still stands.

trump is gonna ban officials from lobbying for foreign governments his own NSA advisor lobbied for businesses connected to turkey

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michael-flynn-key-trump-aide-sat-in-on-intel-briefings-while-advising-foreign-clients-004512931.html

Flynn’s relationship with his overseas clients is coming in for new scrutiny amid recent disclosures that two months ago, during the height of the presidential campaign, his consulting firm, the Flynn Intel Group, registered to lobby for a Dutch company owned by a wealthy Turkish businessman close to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/800877825037312000

hillary on pace to win the popular vote by 2.5 million

california should allow itself to be split into 3 states as a noble gesture to help a country in need

the BC government's policies have been a disaster for unions, renters, students, and working people, just for the record

and there are still many dumb regulations

look at the voting totals spreadsheet linked to on that tweet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19Hillary

i hadn't realized what a massive swing Maine had. obama won it in 2012 by a 15.3% margin. in 2016 clinton only carried it by 2.7% - a 12.6% swing toward republicans over 4 years.

there are a few states that had larger 4-year swings toward republicans - iowa at 15.2%, north dakota at 16.1%, west virginia at 15.4% - but Maine is really surprising to me because they've been led by a trump for 4 years, paul lepage. i was under the impression that he was a terrible fucking buffoon and an embarrassment to everyone connected to maine. apparently i was wrong. a lot of maine voters got a taste of lepage since 2011 and decided to vote for the presidential equivalent. fuuuuuuck

i didn't realize trump owned a football team in the 80s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Generals

Trump's plan is total nonsense but I do like the idea of taking inventory of existing regulations, subsidies, and laws that are over 20 years old and determining which still apply to the modern world.

there's a good 30 for 30 about the USFL xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWxMCLHXkVc

The 2 for 1 thing is banal GOP base crap - really not novel at all, just part of the long, long, big lie that the US is overregulated, that all they do in Washington is think of red tape with which to harry the little guy, etc. etc. The emphasis on quantity is very old in this sense.

it's not what's *in* the regulation that's important to him, it's how many there are!

i'm etaching bizniss ethics rn and 'so much regulation' is literally the extent of untutored student thinking about this topic, the left's messaging on it is nowhere

of course the vast majority of the regulations that really annoy people don't come from dc anyway

re "you'd be in jaiul"

@Morning_Joe
Source tells @Morning_Joe @realDonaldTrump won't pursue investigations into @HillaryClinton for private email server use/Clinton Foundation.

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U.S. Presidents have an obvious interest in upholding the precedent that officials from prior administrations are not prosecuted.